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Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:35 am
Bama fans, I know injuries have depleted your linebacker corps in recent weeks (Tyrell Lewis, Christian Miller, Shaun Dion Hamilton and Mack Wilson).
I didn't get to watch the UA/State game -- just replays. Is this why State was able to hang around into the 4th quarter? Are you guys expecting to get some of those injured guys back by the IB?
I didn't get to watch the UA/State game -- just replays. Is this why State was able to hang around into the 4th quarter? Are you guys expecting to get some of those injured guys back by the IB?
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:37 am to atlau
I watched it. I haven't seen a team push bama around like that since we did it in 2013. The issues were more than just the LB's, the DL was struggling as well.
To bama's credit when plays had to be made they made them on D. I have no idea about injuries. Hurts also deserves credit he made perfect throws in the 4th.
To bama's credit when plays had to be made they made them on D. I have no idea about injuries. Hurts also deserves credit he made perfect throws in the 4th.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:41 am to atlau
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Bama fans, I know injuries have depleted your linebacker corps in recent weeks (Tyrell Lewis, Christian Miller, Shaun Dion Hamilton and Mack Wilson). I didn't get to watch the UA/State game -- just replays. Is this why State was able to hang around into the 4th quarter? Are you guys expecting to get some of those injured guys back by the IB?
So it looks like Miller and Lewis have a chance to come back for the IB, likely Miller and Lewis the SECCG if we make it.
Yeah Holcombe struggled pretty well in the game but MISS ST has ran on almost everyone they have played.
So here is a break down:
330 yards on Bama
351 yards on Auburn
465 yards on LSU
And Further
LSU : 285 yards, 5.94 YPC
Kentucky : 282 yards, 5.88 YPC
Georgia : 177 yards, 4.78 YPC
Texas A&M : 228 yards, 4.38 YPC
Auburn : 194 yards, 4.13 YPC
Alabama : 172 yards, 3.51 YPC
Auburn : 194 Yards, 4.13 YPC
My opinion is that we had a few really bad penalties which, didn't take us off the field and 3rd down pass pro was bad. (Thanks George for stats)
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:43 am to atlau
we have a couple of freshmen on the OL. They are getting better every week and the line is beginning to gel. We also have a couple really good TEs. They match up well blocking WR and LBers. I just hope they improve again. We'll only lose 1 the left tackle and he should be second rounder maybe first. That's where bama was getting pushed around a good bit.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:44 am to Tigerman97
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the DL was struggling as well
The DL is pretty banged up as well. They just don't have the season ending injuries.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:44 am to atlau
LB injuries is one thing, but something lost is how State was able to consistently push the D-line a yard or two beyond the LOS. That makes an easy 4-5yrd gain every touch. The D-line in a struggle win.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:45 am to Tigerman97
MSU's OL is very solid on the left side - might be the best left-side tandem in the SEC, honestly. That said, I was still surprised how much we got pushed around. I'm sure someone has reviewed the game tape to determine if it was physicality, scheme, or a combination of both.
The LBs not being able to generate solid pressure plays a big part though - linemen can focus on the DL and not worry as much about the LB in those situations. Quite often our LBs in games have forced OL to abandon assignments or try and play two at the same time. We didn't have that this game.
Give MSU credit. It's not like their OL is crappy. I don't know if that's the best OL we'll play this year (or at least best left side), but it certainly is top 3.
We should have a player or two back for the AU game. The Mercer game will get some much needed play time for our third stringers.
Right now, I was glad to see how well our offense was clicking in the 4th. A light came on in Hurts, and he looked like a world beater at the end there. If he keeps that up, we might win with our offense instead of our defense.
The LBs not being able to generate solid pressure plays a big part though - linemen can focus on the DL and not worry as much about the LB in those situations. Quite often our LBs in games have forced OL to abandon assignments or try and play two at the same time. We didn't have that this game.
Give MSU credit. It's not like their OL is crappy. I don't know if that's the best OL we'll play this year (or at least best left side), but it certainly is top 3.
We should have a player or two back for the AU game. The Mercer game will get some much needed play time for our third stringers.
Right now, I was glad to see how well our offense was clicking in the 4th. A light came on in Hurts, and he looked like a world beater at the end there. If he keeps that up, we might win with our offense instead of our defense.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:45 am to atlau
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Bama fans, I know injuries have depleted your linebacker corps in recent weeks (Tyrell Lewis, Christian Miller, Shaun Dion Hamilton and Mack Wilson). I didn't get to watch the UA/State game -- just replays. Is this why State was able to hang around into the 4th quarter? Are you guys expecting to get some of those injured guys back by the IB?
It's one of the reasons. State had a great plan and consistently ran for 3-4 YPC, got in short 3rd downs and Fitz made enough good throws. State is also a really, really good running team and has run on everyone they have played all year. They controlled possession and almost pulled it off even though our offense moved the ball almost at will for most of the game.
We might get Lewis/Miller back, but I still would guess no on those. Definite no on SDH and Mack Wilson.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 8:46 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:46 am to PCRammer
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but something lost is how State was able to consistently push the D-line a yard or two beyond the LOS
I need to watch a replay, but I don't remember it going down exactly like that. I remember our Dline playing their gaps, and our LBs not filling in to make plays where they are supposed to.
I was inebriated, though.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:48 am to yatesdog38
State is going to be a tough out next year.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:48 am to Funky Tide 8
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I need to watch a replay, but I don't remember it going down exactly like that. I remember our Dline playing their gaps, and our LBs not filling in to make plays where they are supposed to. I was inebriated, though.
Yea - our DL got moved back maybe a yard or so, but the biggest thing was they didn't make explosive plays and our LBs didn't fill gaps. The DL also allowed their line to get to the 2nd level a few times which made it even more difficult on Holcombe.
It was the perfect storm between worn down, banged up DL and a brand new inexperienced and less talented MLB against a well coached, very very good run offense on the road in a wild environment. I'm just happy we got out of there with a win.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:49 am to atlau
This will be AU's first double digit victory since 2005. I honestly hate they have the injuries, I would much rather a team be at full strength. It's just not going to be a good matchup for them at the moment. Their offensive line will struggle and they will have a hard time stopping the run.
Hopefully they get some LBs back for the playoffs (think they'll get a spot regardless of Iron Bowl). Would be awesome to have an Iron Bowl playoff game.
Hopefully they get some LBs back for the playoffs (think they'll get a spot regardless of Iron Bowl). Would be awesome to have an Iron Bowl playoff game.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:49 am to Tigerman97
Outside of the first series I didn't think their LBs played that badly. LBs playing badly is usually not a huge deal as it is mostly likely misfitting gaps which can be coached in game. The DL looked to be more of the issue to me. Inconsistent push and state stayed commited to the run.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:54 am to atlau
I expected to struggle with MSU given their ability to effectively attack UAs weakness/inexperience at LB.
That said, it is the other side of the ball that is the bigger ? To me. UA will go as far as its OL will take them. This has been the case all year. They have been inconsistent. With Ross P. Injured, it will likely be more of the same going forward.
MSU punched them in the face all night on both sides of the ball. But, I was proud of how they kept fighting back. The efforts of the backups on D and some J. Hurts heroics carried the game. Great reps and lessons for next yr.
Very impressed with the heart of UA's team. They battled 'til then end and every ounce of effort was needed.
It will be a tough fight in the IB and hopefully the SEC CG. Hope to get some of our LBs back and get through to Auburn with no more injuries.
That said, it is the other side of the ball that is the bigger ? To me. UA will go as far as its OL will take them. This has been the case all year. They have been inconsistent. With Ross P. Injured, it will likely be more of the same going forward.
MSU punched them in the face all night on both sides of the ball. But, I was proud of how they kept fighting back. The efforts of the backups on D and some J. Hurts heroics carried the game. Great reps and lessons for next yr.
Very impressed with the heart of UA's team. They battled 'til then end and every ounce of effort was needed.
It will be a tough fight in the IB and hopefully the SEC CG. Hope to get some of our LBs back and get through to Auburn with no more injuries.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:55 am to AUsteriskPride
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This will be AU's first double digit victory since 2005
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:55 am to atlau
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didn't get to watch the UA/State game -- just replays. Is this why State was able to hang around into the 4th quarter? Are you guys expecting to get some of those injured guys back by the IB?
Good team
Tough away game/Hostile crowd
Mobile QB with a good OLine.
All factors. Linebackers missed filling the gaps on a few runs and Fitzgerald is a good tough QB.
Offense left some points on the board with the missed FG and penalties killed us, especially the leaping one. Gave State the "Mo" right back.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 8:57 am to atlau
Defensive line is far from what's its been. Granted, that's what you expect after losing guys like Allen, Tomlinson, Anderson, and Williams. But this group lacks the pass rush moves and techniques previous lines have bad.
Maybe Lewis and Miller will provide that if they come back, but they play outside. We need someone to collapse the pocket inside.
Maybe Lewis and Miller will provide that if they come back, but they play outside. We need someone to collapse the pocket inside.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:15 am to skrayper
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skrayper
What's the issue? It's not a crazy prediction, dunno what to say? It's just not a good matchup for Bama with the injuries.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:17 am to atlau
I am just hoping we can keep our remaining games competitive make a major bowl game and have some momentum going into next year. Oh, and that Coach Saban doesn't get mad and retire.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:24 am to Tigerman97
quote:Not so. State got a ton of their yardage after contact and that's the direct result of LBer quality. Our DL eliminates the offensive push while the LBers fill the gaps and blow up the run at the LOS. State runners were pushing the carry for 3-4 yards past the contact. When that happens, you get an entirely different look with your defensive front 7.
I watched it. I haven't seen a team push bama around like that since we did it in 2013. The issues were more than just the LB's, the DL was struggling as well.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 9:26 am
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