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Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:37 pm to athenslife101
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The idea that Nick Saban ruined the SEC is stupid
Agreed
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:44 pm to nicholastiger
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Baseball is a prime example, Bertman and Polk showed the SEC how to do it, now all programs are very good and all can compete for championships.
It's up to each school to narrow the gap Bama has created. That's on coaches and there is no reason other SEC schools can't recruit at that same level.
You could also make the argument that UK has never been caught in basketball.
Exactly. Rather than blaming those who succeed, other schools need to improve their preparation and performance. This is much like social justice warriors who blame others for their lack of responsibility and accomplishment. Get to work and beat BAMA, think of the pride you will feel then. We are all better when we push each other to excel. C'mon, this is the SEC, stop whining.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:50 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The problem lies in the hands of impatient ADs and fanbases, more so than Nick Saban. Expecting every coach to be the second coming of Saban is unreasonable.
Bingo.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:53 pm to TidalSurge1
Just like Alabama in the 30s, 60s, 70s and UF in the 90s, the current reign will come to an end. It's up to each individual administration to act wisely. Alabama was an idiot from 97-06, with an indifferent BOT and an incompetent Pres and AD. The results showed it. The BOT woke up and hired Robert Witt, who changed everything. Saban is unique and a once in a lifetime coach, but with the right support there are other competent coaches who can be consistently successful in the SEC, even now. They can also be positioned for more success when the current SEC nightmare is over.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:15 pm to athenslife101
The one thing you can definitely say about Saban's tenure is that he made a lot of mediocre coaches super rich.
Every SEC program felt they needed to pay Saban money to get Saban quality, however they began giving dump trucks of money to unproven coaches.
Every SEC program felt they needed to pay Saban money to get Saban quality, however they began giving dump trucks of money to unproven coaches.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:17 pm to TigerTalker16
quote:The problem isn't Saban, it's that the conference can't seem to put a consistently strong #2 team firmly in place. Saban is not the reason why other SEC teams rack up multiple losses in a season. Saban didn't cause LSU to lose to MSU/AUB/ARK in '14, Arky/OM in '15, Wisc/Aub/UF in '16. He had nothing to do with Auburn losing to MSU/ATM/UGA in '14, LSU/MSU/ARKY/OM/UGA in '15, CU/aTm/UGA in '16. And Saban had no impact on aTm losing to MSU/OM/MIZZ/LSU in '14, OM/AUB/LSU in '15, or MSU/OM/LSU in '16.
The problem is that if you lose to Bama, its almost impossible to win the SEC west division. Even if you lost to Bama and ran the table with the rest of your scheduled, Bama would have to lose two conference games for you to get back into the division race. When's the last time Bama lost two conference games in a season?
And if you're in the SEC East, you will eventually have to play Bama in the SECCG. When is the last time Bama lost in the SECCG?
One of Mark Richt's best teams ever hit that wall and now he is no longer the head coach at UGA. You can only hit that Saban wall and fail so many times before you lose your job because at the end of the day, you're not winning championships because Saban and Bama have taken that spot.
The same thing happened to Miles, Urban Meyer, and Phillip Fulmer. All championship coaches who lost their jobs or quit because of Saban's domination over them and the conference as a whole.
When a program steps up their game and becomes a consistently solid #2 team in the West, then they will have positioned themselves nicely to seriously challenge for the West and will topple Alabama in the process.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:19 pm to athenslife101
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I find Alabama as annoying as the next guy
More annoying than a program that is the Michigan State of the South and thinks they are great because of a 1 point win over a mediocre relic of a program in ND?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:24 pm to athenslife101
Can't believe I am agreeing with a leghumper but I am.
All other teams have to do is close the gap. Win consistently can other opponents not named bama.
Once the first whistle blows, saban has proven time and again - he can't win the majority of games against a team with equal talent.
He is a .500 coach against equal teams. It's why he is an NFL failure and the greatest college coach ever. He plays by college rules and stockpiles talent.
If Auburn or LSU builds a consistently good 10-2 type team- they would beat saban 50% of the time.
All other teams have to do is close the gap. Win consistently can other opponents not named bama.
Once the first whistle blows, saban has proven time and again - he can't win the majority of games against a team with equal talent.
He is a .500 coach against equal teams. It's why he is an NFL failure and the greatest college coach ever. He plays by college rules and stockpiles talent.
If Auburn or LSU builds a consistently good 10-2 type team- they would beat saban 50% of the time.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 6:06 pm to athenslife101
While the coach has a lot to do with a team, it seems that other teams have a tendency to build their success around a certain star player instead of the team in general or even the coaching staff.
Whenever a team does have success, after their star like Tim Tebow, Cam newton, or Johnny Manziel leaves, the team implodes.
A team should never be built around a single player no matter how skilled they are... especially when they are terrible leaders or role models for their younger players (personally, in Florida's case, I give Tebow credit where his coach failed).
As much as one may hate Saban, he preaches that it is a consistent process... business as usual. It's not about a player in particular. It's not about a coach in particular. It's about a consistent process of doing the best every play. If you get an entire team to follow that process, you're guaranteed to have success. You may not win every game, but you will win most of the time.
Whenever a team does have success, after their star like Tim Tebow, Cam newton, or Johnny Manziel leaves, the team implodes.
A team should never be built around a single player no matter how skilled they are... especially when they are terrible leaders or role models for their younger players (personally, in Florida's case, I give Tebow credit where his coach failed).
As much as one may hate Saban, he preaches that it is a consistent process... business as usual. It's not about a player in particular. It's not about a coach in particular. It's about a consistent process of doing the best every play. If you get an entire team to follow that process, you're guaranteed to have success. You may not win every game, but you will win most of the time.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 7:08 pm to SECdragonmaster
SECdragonmaster:
"He is a .500 coach against equal teams. It's why he is an NFL failure and the greatest college coach ever. He plays by college rules and stockpiles talent."
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You couldn't be more wrong. Alabama's record since the beginning of 2008:
SEC: 66-8 89%
LSU: 8-2 80% LSU had equal talent.
Ranked teams: 49-13 79%
Top 10 teams: 24-8 75%
Top 5 teams: 12-5 71%
Number 1 teams: 5-1 83%
In the NFL Saban took a 4-12 team and went 9-7, including winning their last 6 in a row, garnering consideration for NFL coach of the year. The next year his defense rose from 18th to 4th in the league, but because the front office opted for Culpepper over Brees, who was hobbled, he was left playing in the NFL with Cleo Lemon and Joey Harrington as QB the last 12 games. It was a miracle that they won 6 games. Included in their wins was the last time the Patriots were shut out and a drubbing of Super Bowl participate Chicago Bears. Read Bill Simmons at the time - he was worried. Saban was a good NFL coach but preferred the college game. Btw, Miami went 1-15 the year after he left.
"He is a .500 coach against equal teams. It's why he is an NFL failure and the greatest college coach ever. He plays by college rules and stockpiles talent."
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You couldn't be more wrong. Alabama's record since the beginning of 2008:
SEC: 66-8 89%
LSU: 8-2 80% LSU had equal talent.
Ranked teams: 49-13 79%
Top 10 teams: 24-8 75%
Top 5 teams: 12-5 71%
Number 1 teams: 5-1 83%
In the NFL Saban took a 4-12 team and went 9-7, including winning their last 6 in a row, garnering consideration for NFL coach of the year. The next year his defense rose from 18th to 4th in the league, but because the front office opted for Culpepper over Brees, who was hobbled, he was left playing in the NFL with Cleo Lemon and Joey Harrington as QB the last 12 games. It was a miracle that they won 6 games. Included in their wins was the last time the Patriots were shut out and a drubbing of Super Bowl participate Chicago Bears. Read Bill Simmons at the time - he was worried. Saban was a good NFL coach but preferred the college game. Btw, Miami went 1-15 the year after he left.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 7:17 pm to athenslife101
So basically most of you are saying that Saban came in, did his job, kicked arse and that ruined the SEC? You sound like leftist, cuckold, baby back bitches.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 7:18 pm to athenslife101
Step up or shut up!
Posted on 10/6/17 at 7:26 pm to athenslife101
I don't even think about this until a dumb thread pops up to discuss it on here. It is a non issue for me. If a school wants to stop losing to a perennial power, coach and recruit better.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:42 pm to athenslife101
Coach O just needs some more time..........
Joking, LSU won't be competitive again until Joe Alleva, F King, and the BOS are all run out of office. Then we may be able to right the ship, but the chances of all that happening is about as good as LSU making it to Atlanta this year.
Joking, LSU won't be competitive again until Joe Alleva, F King, and the BOS are all run out of office. Then we may be able to right the ship, but the chances of all that happening is about as good as LSU making it to Atlanta this year.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 8:56 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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If a school wants to stop losing to a perennial power, coach and recruit better.
Exactly.
It takes work, hard work to beat the best. If you're hoping the tough things just go away on their own in life, you will be disappointed. Don't drop your rifle. Get a bigger one.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:25 pm to athenslife101
2009, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016...and even when they didn't win the conference title in 2011 - they won the Natty.
So 6 out of the last 8 years they were the best in the SEC.
This like back to the 70's when the SEC sucked except for one team.
So 6 out of the last 8 years they were the best in the SEC.
This like back to the 70's when the SEC sucked except for one team.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:36 pm to athenslife101
The fact he doesn't have to follow the same rule book as the other 13 coaches has definitely ruined the league. Before you claim he does have to follow rules then remember even just the last 2 coaches fired/quit for breaking the same rules Ole Miss is getting nailed for.
Until he get nailed for cheating too then the league will continue to drown. Especially the small schools that rely on those 2 or 3 5*s they would have got had they not been handed a new charger. The bottom is literally falling out from under the conference.
Until he get nailed for cheating too then the league will continue to drown. Especially the small schools that rely on those 2 or 3 5*s they would have got had they not been handed a new charger. The bottom is literally falling out from under the conference.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:51 pm to Rabern57
Even Cowherd has repeatedly said that Alabama is clean. But we're supposed to believe an AU fan making a vague charge ? That's the best you've got ?
Posted on 10/7/17 at 12:06 am to BluegrassBelle
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The problem lies in the hands of impatient ADs and fanbases, more so than Nick Saban. Expecting every coach to be the second coming of Saban is unreasonable.
Agree.
I suppose you could make the argument that without Saban, Richt, Miles and Meyer may have all three had a (or another) NC and those championships could have drastically changed what ended up happening at Georgia, Florida and LSU.
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