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re: How Would TCU Finish This Year If They Were In The SEC?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:51 pm to CharlotteSooner
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:51 pm to CharlotteSooner
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What about Arkansas secondary? A Texas Bowl rematch with Texas?! LOL!!!!
Texas better worry about just getting to a bowl period. Any bowl. And anybody projecting that team to a bowl game right now is nuts.
He is just trying to bait you, he has some strange obsession with me now
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:54 pm to CharlotteSooner
How good is South Florida because a team that USF struggled with for most of the first half was totally destroyed in Austin
600+ yards to 150 yards.
600+ yards to 150 yards.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:01 pm to Not Afraid of Bama
Lots of teams struggled in their 1st game. Means nothing.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:04 pm to Cheese Grits
How far you are wrong.
I guess you missed the PAC 12 in the late 90's and early 2000's.
I have always said that the PAC 12 is the toughest conference because of the depth at the bottom.
Reason why all PAC 12 schools besides Cal have appeared in huge bowl games since the Bowl Alliance started in 95 I believe. Cal should have played in a BCS bowl in 2004 but because of Utah's undefeated season was pushed out.
The Big XII was top heavy and games against KU, BU and Iowa St were pretty much easy wins.
The PAC 12 in the late 90's and early 2000's and then the SEC from 2006-2011 were clearly the best conferences.
There may have been a few years when the Big XII was on top but never consecutive years.
I guess you missed the PAC 12 in the late 90's and early 2000's.
I have always said that the PAC 12 is the toughest conference because of the depth at the bottom.
Reason why all PAC 12 schools besides Cal have appeared in huge bowl games since the Bowl Alliance started in 95 I believe. Cal should have played in a BCS bowl in 2004 but because of Utah's undefeated season was pushed out.
The Big XII was top heavy and games against KU, BU and Iowa St were pretty much easy wins.
The PAC 12 in the late 90's and early 2000's and then the SEC from 2006-2011 were clearly the best conferences.
There may have been a few years when the Big XII was on top but never consecutive years.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:07 pm to Cheese Grits
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In the old conferences, in a given year B1G = Ohio State + Michigan + ???? ACC = Clemson + Florida State + ???? PAC = Southern California + ???? Big 8 = Oklahoma + Nebraska + ???? SWC = Texas + ???? Big 12 = Oklahoma + Nebraska + Texas + ????
You are using some clumsy data. FSU was an independent in those days, albeit a good one.
And I don't understand Texas in two categories.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:08 pm to Not Afraid of Bama
Look at a similarity.
PAC 12'a decline started when SC got real good and dominant same with the SEC. The SEC's dominance ended when Bama became dominant in 2011- 2012
PAC 12'a decline started when SC got real good and dominant same with the SEC. The SEC's dominance ended when Bama became dominant in 2011- 2012
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:13 pm to joshua2571
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Slightly better than Arkansas
And Aggie.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:15 pm to TCUFan
2nd to last behind those knob polishin Aggie baws
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:18 pm to Not Afraid of Bama
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The PAC 12 in the late 90's and early 2000's
1998 was first year of the BCS
1998 || only 4 of 10 teams finished above .500
1999 || only 1 nine in team, only 1 eight win team, no 10 win team
2000 || only 4 of 10 teams finished above .500
2001 || you can maybe make a case for this year, but USC finished 6-6
2002 || USC finished 11-2 so this may be your year, not several of them
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:21 pm to theoracle1
Its TCU's DEFENSE that is its strength. They have allowed 7 points in two games so far, Arkansas could muster very little offense in their own stadium. TCU is a legit contender for the Big 12 Title and final four spot.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:24 pm to CocknDawg
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FSU was an independent in those days
Free Shoes bridged the gap / part as IND / part as ACC
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I don't understand Texas in two categories.
You could in theory start at the end of World War II but a more realistic point would be the late 70's as 3 things converged to create the modern era
Free Agency
Oklahoma breaking the B1G / NCAA monopoly (CFA comes to life)
ESPN brake the Big 3 monopoly (ABC / CBS / NBC)
If you use the late 70's forward you view the two phases
Phase 1 = SWC + Big 8
Phase 2 = Big 12
texas was in both conferences (SWC and Big 12) but not the Big 8
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:25 pm to Cheese Grits
You have to look at the OOC schedule and Bowl games for instance 2000
Washington beats Miami
Washington demolishes Purdue in the Rose Bowl
Oregon St demolishes ND in the Fiesta Bowl
Oregon demolishes Texas in the Holiday Bowl
Washington beats Miami
Washington demolishes Purdue in the Rose Bowl
Oregon St demolishes ND in the Fiesta Bowl
Oregon demolishes Texas in the Holiday Bowl
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:30 pm to Not Afraid of Bama
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Washington beats Miami
Washington demolishes Purdue in the Rose Bowl
Oregon St demolishes ND in the Fiesta Bowl
Oregon demolishes Texas in the Holiday Bowl
Not one of those games involve a SEC school and when you have to use Purdue as your B1G bellwether you are already on a slippery slope. Notre Dame in the 1980's and I can buy that. Notre dame since has been like Michigan. Riding on their past.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:32 pm to Cheese Grits
Purdue was BIG champs with Drew Brees that year
Miami killed Florida in the Sugar Bowl that year.
Florida was SEC Champs
Washington beat Miami
Miami killed Florida in the Sugar Bowl that year.
Florida was SEC Champs
Washington beat Miami
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:33 pm to CharlotteSooner
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I'm talking about the silliness of questioning Ohio State's defense. They are an elite defense.
Elite defenses don't give up 400 yards passing to Indiana.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:34 pm to Not Afraid of Bama
Cal didn't play in a BCS bowl during the 2004 season because Mack Brown whined incessantly about it and the pollsters flipped them and Cal.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:40 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
So the BCS rule that it had to take Utah didn't have anything with Cal being left out
2 at large bids with one already taken and the #4 spot being guaranteed makes it difficult when you have UT/ Cal.
2 at large bids with one already taken and the #4 spot being guaranteed makes it difficult when you have UT/ Cal.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:44 pm to Not Afraid of Bama
Purdue could have Tom Brady and Tim Tebow as backup, they are still Purdue, so if they are winning the B1G it probably means everybody else was down. I would be as suspect if Drew Brees was at Kentucky and they won the SEC.
Just because Miami beat Washington does not mean Washington beat Florida.
Your overall point is still flawed because 1 or 2 teams in the PAC being good in a given year is not 5 or 6 all being good in a given point which is what your original post implied.
I am old enough to remember a Pac 8 and a SEC that included Tulane and Georgia Tech. Pretty much it has been Southern Cal and everybody else going back to the British Invasion and the old, old Beach Boys.
Just because Miami beat Washington does not mean Washington beat Florida.
Your overall point is still flawed because 1 or 2 teams in the PAC being good in a given year is not 5 or 6 all being good in a given point which is what your original post implied.
I am old enough to remember a Pac 8 and a SEC that included Tulane and Georgia Tech. Pretty much it has been Southern Cal and everybody else going back to the British Invasion and the old, old Beach Boys.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:44 pm to skrayper
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Elite defenses don't give up 400 yards passing to Indiana.
They don't give up 421 yards passing to Ole Miss or 400 yards passing to Arkansas either.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 6:50 pm to Cheese Grits
You refuse to accept that any conference besides the SEC has ever been dominant in football when facts clearly state other wise.
Best example is that a Top 5 Bama team went into the Rose Bowl in 2000 and was clearly ran over by Deshaun Foster and UCLA.
Bama coming off a Sugar Bowl appearance was never the same again that year.
You can say that was a horrible Bama team but I say otherwise because going into that game Bama was Top 5 and full of confidence.
Best example is that a Top 5 Bama team went into the Rose Bowl in 2000 and was clearly ran over by Deshaun Foster and UCLA.
Bama coming off a Sugar Bowl appearance was never the same again that year.
You can say that was a horrible Bama team but I say otherwise because going into that game Bama was Top 5 and full of confidence.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 6:51 pm
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