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Why do people believe Saban would have built a dynasty if he had stayed at LSU?

Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:32 am
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33963 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:32 am
The numbers don't bear it out.

At LSU, Saban had at least one game every year where he lost by two scores or more. In fact, he had ten losses of two scores or more and seven losses of three scores or more. At Bama, Saban's had four games where he lost by two scores or more and has never lost by three scores.

At LSU, Saban had at least one game every season when his team was held to ten or fewer points. At Bama, his teams have been held to ten or fewer points three times in ten years.

LSU was never ranked #1 in the AP Poll during Saban's entire time at LSU. There wasn't a single week AP voters believed LSU had the best team in the country.

It's Saban's tenth year at Alabama. He has the same number of conference losses at Alabama that he had during his entire time at LSU (12).

It took eight years at Bama for Saban to match his five year loss total at LSU.

These numbers tell me one of two things. Either it's much easier for a coach to win big at Bama or Saban became a much better and improved coach after his two year stint in the NFL. However you look at it, Saban showed no signs of building this incredible uber-dominant program if he had stayed at LSU. At LSU, his teams had a bad game every year where they either fail to show up offensively (not scoring at least ten points) or lost decisively (lost by two or more scores). Saban lost at least two conference games every year at LSU except 2003. Saban lost at least three games every year at LSU except 2003. His teams never even finished in the top 15 in consecutive years. Where is the proof that Saban would have been able to build this dominant program at LSU?
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:33 am to
To long didn't read!
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
52157 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:33 am to
Hard to fathom what he would have done with the talent that's been wasted here
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:35 am to
I think Nick learned a lot with the Dolphins which has helped him.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:37 am to
He also never had back to back ten win season at LSU and is about to have his 9th consecutive ten win season at Bama.
Posted by Shadowlink
The Shadows
Member since Apr 2014
1434 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:37 am to
Are you attempting to tell me that Saban can't build a dynasty anywhere else? Don't be stupid.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67592 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:40 am to
its easier to win when the conference and refs are in your back pocket...or he was building LSU to a place they had never been...which one do you think is correct?
Posted by tigercreole
United States of Russia
Member since Jul 2013
3294 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:41 am to
Bitch please.

Did lsu win? Bama insecurity and skirts are really exposed.

Is lsu your measuring stick? Your rival?

Do you bring in former nfl alum to practice for all games?

This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 8:44 am
Posted by CRAZY 4 LSU
Member since Apr 2006
16903 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:42 am to
Because he was just starting to establish himself in terms of gaining cache to recruit. LSU started to get Alabama like classes in 03 and 04, but he never got to develop them himself. In 05-07 Miles averaged just 2 losses a season and won a national championship. Saban would have won 2 national championships during that time period (06 &07), and at that point the thing would be rolling similarly to Alabama after 11/12.
Posted by RollDawgRoll
Member since Sep 2009
1945 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:56 am to
It's silly to say that Saban would have built a dynasty at LSU.

Alabama made Saban great. LSU isn't Alabama.
Posted by bgtiger
Prairieville
Member since Dec 2004
11429 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:00 am to
He learned from Miami, alright... he has structured his "organization" much like a professional one. Hiring any decent out of work former head coach as analysts, has more administrative assistant types than ever before, is constantly looking for angles to get an edge (like Belichek), and the one thing he got at Alabama that he never had anywhere else is complete and unfettered control, with unlimited pockets to do whatever his "organization' can dream up.

For example, Alabama + Saban is a great recruiter all by itself, right? Kids just die to play for him and the school, right? Well, Alabama spends ~ $1 Million in recruiting , second only to Tennessee who HAD to ramp theirs up to survive.

As of 2014, the school you think just wakes up and pisses excellence, just because, spends more of it's budget on football than anyone in the country.... because what Saban wants, he gets.

He has pushed Alabama into the modern age of big-business professional football at the college level.... but i do give the school credit for literally spending anything it took to do what he wanted.


Can't wait until the next coach doesn't quite do it that way, and you'll have to come up with some reason why Alabumma can't get it done.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:03 am to
Ok now imagine that he left for Miami had that experience and LSU fired Miles and hired Saban right back. What kind of success do you think he would have had then? The difference between Saban now and then is ambition. He scratched an itch and he has settled down. His mind is not in two different leagues.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66819 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:04 am to
Probably because the team was stacked from 2005-2007. Les Miles won 10+ games and a NC in those years, I think most people feel Saban could have too. Then imagine 2011 without Saban at Alabama.

I don't think we would be some unstoppable machine like Bama currently is, but at the same time i think he would have won at least 1 more probably 2 national championships by now.

The LSu Saban took over was trash and he won a 2 SEC Championships and a NC in his first 4 years here. The guy who took over the team went 35-6 in the next 3 years. So unless you think Miles did something Saban couldn't have done, i think we were about to get rolling.
Posted by LC412000
Any location where a plane flies
Member since Mar 2004
16673 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:09 am to
Another one of your threads you start and then run and hide. What a Nancy
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:15 am to
Posted by tigahland
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3227 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:25 am to
I think it's bc Saban laid the foundation for LSU Football into what it is today. If he had stayed he would have had the same success @ LSU as he is having @ BAMA
Posted by caliegeaux
Member since Aug 2004
10209 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:34 am to
time.

he was rebuilding and needed time

he won his 1st NC in 2003 and 2004 was a down year...but he was still building.

look at his 1st NC at BAMA, and then the next year.

But he stayed and kept building at BAMA.

Thats what we were thinking could happen had he stayed.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10333 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:46 am to
quote:

These numbers tell me one of two things. Either it's much easier for a coach to win big at Bama or Saban became a much better and improved coach after his two year stint in the NFL. However you look at it, Saban showed no signs of building this incredible uber-dominant program if he had stayed at LSU.


If 2 years in the NFL is what made Saban "better and improved", why did he come back to go 7-6 in 2007 while LSU was a combined 34-6 in the 3 seasons after he left with a dummy of a head coach at the helm?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 9:50 am to
Kinda tough to originally claim that Miles is having success with Sabans recruits.. acknowledge that Saban is a better coach than Miles.. look at Miles success from 2005-2011..

And then think that Saban couldn't have done better.

Dumb thread.
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
1946 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 10:00 am to
The writings of LSU fans.
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