re: I'm tired of people trying to argue the Big 10/PAC 12 are on our level

Teams don't get respect because they are not in the SEC, yet when they do beat an SEC team all the excuses in the world are made.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't I tell ya

Kentucky, Auburn, South Carolina, UT, Mizzou, Moo State, Arkansas, stink to high heaven.

I would put up the bottom of the Pac-12 and Big10 against those dogs. Auburn looks like arse....and was ranked as high as #4 preseason.

SEC is a joke this year.

Michigan under Harbaugh would own that conference.

USC and Stanford would win the conference as well from the Pac-12. USC would beat Ole Miss by 3 TDs.

Ohio State would roll through the SEC.

Utah would win the SEC too.

Face it, the SEC is hot garbage this year and showed it in January - getting blown out in the bowl games.

The SEC sucks this year, it isnt that brutal. For exmaple, our SEC schedule:

State- Be honest, they arent very good
Auburn- Shitastic as Indiana
South Carolina- Absolutely terrible
UF- Not very good
Ole Miss-Good
Bama-Good, but not the powerhouse
Arkansas-Not good
A&M- Decent, possibly good

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I'm all for the SEC, but it is dogshite this year and last year.

Ole Miss being top dog proves that. Anytime Ole Miss is your best, you got a problem.

SEC was embarrassed against all the other conferences in their bowl games. Just shows the SEC was living off of reputation and has really fallen off...losing to the Big10 and Pac-12.

There's a reason the BIg10 has the two top ranked teams in the country and the SEC has only two teams in the entire top 10.

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I mean I'm not what you'd like me to say. Your initial post is ridiculous. Michigan would not beat every single SEC team besides LSU. If they would beat everyone else why would they lose to LSU? Usc would not win the conference this year. That's just lunacy. I think Mich St is good but their marquee win thus far just got embarrassed by a team you didn't even bring up. Could the Spartans win the conference? Maybe. Doubtful but maybe. The other conferences have stepped up indeed but the gap is still larger than the media is pushing at the moment. It's not where it was very recently but it's still there. I'm sorry if you disagree.

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SEC is garbage this year - you're just too blind to see it.

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Define garbage for me.

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Most of the Pac-12 would run roughshod over the SEC and that's a sad fact.

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This isn't a fact. This is you opinion. One in which I disagree with. If you'd like to make a case for it a team by team breakdown would be appropriate. I think there are some quality teams in the Pac this year but top to bottom I just don't see it being above the SEC let along being able to "run roughshod" over

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Stop living off of yesteryear and reputation and face the new reality. SEC stinks and getting embarrassed by the Big10 in January doesn't help.

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Yes the bowl season was disappointing for the conference as a whole. I don't agree with that being the ultimate comparison between conferences however. So while disappointing I don't view it as cold hard, singular evidence that the SEC is worse than other conferences. One B1G team beating one SEC team in January last year is not indicative of which conference is better this fall. At this point, I think it's clear you are trolling me pretty good, but I'm going to ignore that and continue on.

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Big10, Pac-12 > SEC

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This is not a very popular opinion nationally for a reason. Each one of those conferences have excellent teams but the lower half of the SEC I still view as being far superior to the lower half of the others. If you want to make a case that each of those, the PAC and B1G have better teams at their tops, fine. It's only week 4 and those arguments are legitimate right now.

The SEC hasn't won a major bowl game in two years and the best that the SEC could provide wouldn't even win the B1G.

That's good. We have talked about those bowl games. I said they were disappointing. In my mind they are not the end all be all of confernce strength. I think it's foolish to judge an entire years worth of football based on one game. Those bowl games also don't have any real impact on this year. Utah was 5-4 last year in the PAC. This year they clearly are better than that. Last year doesn't mean anything. Michigan was 3-5 last year in the B1G. Clearly they are better than that this year. Last year doesn't mean anything. Stamford was 5-4 last year in their confernce. So far they look better than that despite a loss to what I consider an average NW team. Last year doesn't mean anything. Last year USC was 6-3 in the confernce. Those are all teams you gave me that would destroy SEC competition week in and week out. Last year they didn't look like they could. Last year doesn't mean anything. You can continue to bring up the bowl games but again, last year doesn't mean anything in regards to this fall. So far we don't have a lot to go on to judge the conferences to each other. We have opinions. I've presented mine as such. You have laid down yours and claimed "fact".

I don't think I've seen one expert say the B1G is on the same level as a conference as the SEC

Some people say the top of the conference is as good, which I agree with. If the SEC's 5th best team is A&M (just for discussion purposes I have no idea where they are but I think they are 5th ranked as of today), they would probably beat the B1G's 5th best team (I say that but Michigan has looked pretty good recently).

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"our"

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As in Aggy is SEC?



You're too cute.

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Big10, Pac-12 > SEC by all objective standards and not just homerism by SEC rant guy.

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B1G is basically 2 schools. Michigan State has held that 2nd spot while Michigan was a dumpster fire. If Michigan is up for a few years, Sparty will be dead as disco.

ACC is basically 1.5 schools between Free Shoes and Taterheads. When Duke is on top of the Costal and VT is on the bottom you know the whole division is hot garbage.

B12 is basically Texas and Oklahoma. If either get their defense tight it will be the last we hear of TCU or Baylor.

PAC is basically Ducks in the North and Southern Cal in the South. Right now roughly 1/3 already have 2 losses and are eliminated for the CFP (including the Ducks, Sun Devils, and Huskies) and the Buffs, Cougars, and Wildcats are still alive it is not a ringing endorsement for the conference.




If that was not enough, B1G has yet to play their 1st conference game and pretty much all the PAC schools have just played 1 while only 40% of the B12 have played a conference game. ACC has at least half their teams with a conference game but none with 2. SEC has EIGHT teams that have already played 2 conference games.

Perhaps we are just a wee bit hasty on proclaiming the demise of the SEC.

CBS Sports says the SEC has the toughest non conference and they post the best records so how do you figure the B1G or PAC have passed this?

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