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The Mindset Behind Sexual Assualt
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:20 pm
I don't get it.
A girl is not interested in copulating with you and you have the bright idea to hold her down and force your dick into her vagina while she is literally telling you to stop or fighting to get away from you.
What do these guys think is the best-case scenario in these situations?
Somewhere between the Petrino-don't-care-had-sex meme and Jameis Winston I guess.
I'm obviously not talking about tea-bagging or streaking across a football field.
A girl is not interested in copulating with you and you have the bright idea to hold her down and force your dick into her vagina while she is literally telling you to stop or fighting to get away from you.
What do these guys think is the best-case scenario in these situations?
Somewhere between the Petrino-don't-care-had-sex meme and Jameis Winston I guess.
I'm obviously not talking about tea-bagging or streaking across a football field.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:35 pm to sorantable
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I don't get it.
It's about control for rapist. And if they're a popular athlete? They probably think they can get away with it because of who they are.
That said, whether rightfully so or not, I'm always hesitant to rush to judgement in some of these athlete/on campus deals. I think Universities are handling it appropriately as of late, but there needs to be some blowback when some of these accusations are found to be false. We're going a long way towards empowering victims in these cases, which we should. But we're also setting up a situation where any girl who feels guilty for getting sleeping with someone when they're drunk can make some life changing accusations without much consequence.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
I don't either. It's awful that it's happening so much lately.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:44 pm to BluegrassBelle
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any girl who feels guilty for getting sleeping with someone when they're drunk can make some life changing accusations without much consequence.
Or if they just get pissed off for some reason.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:47 pm to sorantable
If you don't wanna be raped don't go outside
Posted on 10/7/14 at 3:54 pm to Col reb 2011
Stephen A. Smith is that you?
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:01 pm to sorantable
I'm going to say something a little controversial, but I think a lot of the incentive for rape is because of the reaction afterward.
Now, hear me out: Most of us have this barrier that can't be crossed -- the majority of us would not rape someone for any reason under the sky. To save humanity, for vengeance or even just to control another person.
But I think it gives them too much power when people react in such a way where it "ruins" their life. It's a horrendous thing, because takes your power away and makes you feel unsafe anywhere you go -- but I think the culture around rape gives an extra incentive for the rapist.
I don't even know how to fix what I'm suggesting, but I've noticed that a lot of problems are amplified by society.
And don't mistaken this as me saying it's anyone's fault for their response -- I can't imagine how I would react or what would go through my head afterwards, but I think it's high time we stop giving sociopathic rapists ammunition.
Now, hear me out: Most of us have this barrier that can't be crossed -- the majority of us would not rape someone for any reason under the sky. To save humanity, for vengeance or even just to control another person.
But I think it gives them too much power when people react in such a way where it "ruins" their life. It's a horrendous thing, because takes your power away and makes you feel unsafe anywhere you go -- but I think the culture around rape gives an extra incentive for the rapist.
I don't even know how to fix what I'm suggesting, but I've noticed that a lot of problems are amplified by society.
And don't mistaken this as me saying it's anyone's fault for their response -- I can't imagine how I would react or what would go through my head afterwards, but I think it's high time we stop giving sociopathic rapists ammunition.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:05 pm to sorantable
It has as much to do with control as it does sex. Trust me, I watch a lot of Law and Order SVU. 
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I don't think that's controversial. I think that's an extension of the power play Belle was alluding to, actually.
If the end game is power, then the reaction is a manifestation of exactly how much power the perp wielded. For those uncaring of the consequences, that unfortunately can be enough of an incentive to do some truly heinous things.
I'll hearken back to something I heard on a podcast about the Fappening thing that happened recently: if more of those victims had kind shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't really give a shite (not saying they should have, but hear me out), a lot of pervs thinking "HAHA, GOTCHA BITCH!" would have gotten far less enjoyment out of the whole situation. Why? They don't have the power to incite an incensed reaction.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT RAPE IS OK OR THAT VICTIMS SHOULD JUST REMAIN SILENT.
Perish the thought. Coming at it from the perspective of power/exhibiting control over the other person, I can see how the fallout afterwards can become as much of a power play for sick, twisted individuals as the actual act itself.
If the end game is power, then the reaction is a manifestation of exactly how much power the perp wielded. For those uncaring of the consequences, that unfortunately can be enough of an incentive to do some truly heinous things.
I'll hearken back to something I heard on a podcast about the Fappening thing that happened recently: if more of those victims had kind shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't really give a shite (not saying they should have, but hear me out), a lot of pervs thinking "HAHA, GOTCHA BITCH!" would have gotten far less enjoyment out of the whole situation. Why? They don't have the power to incite an incensed reaction.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT RAPE IS OK OR THAT VICTIMS SHOULD JUST REMAIN SILENT.
Perish the thought. Coming at it from the perspective of power/exhibiting control over the other person, I can see how the fallout afterwards can become as much of a power play for sick, twisted individuals as the actual act itself.
This post was edited on 10/7/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:20 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT RAPE IS OK OR THAT VICTIMS SHOUTCAST REMAIN SILENT.
I would like to reiterate this -- I can't imagine what it would be like but I think the power is amplified.
I liken it to school shooters in some ways. Our reaction is to make them into ultra-villains, and it appeals to their narcissism -- what they feel is adequate attention from society and I think it compels them to behave.
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I'll hearken back to something I heard on a podcast about the Fappening thing that happened recently: if more of those victims had kind shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't really give a shite (not saying they should have, but hear me out), a lot of pervs thinking "HAHA, GOTCHA BITCH!" would have gotten far less enjoyment out of the whole situation. Why? They don't have the power to incite an incensed reaction.
Exactly. I think the sooner people accept the consequences with open arms rather than convulsing so violently -- you take the power and incentive to do so. It'll still happen, but the only way someone has power over you is if you let them.
Now when the NSA publishes my porn, we'll see if it changes my outlook on this.
All jest aside: I think society exacerbates issues by ascribing too much trauma to certain experiences. I'm scared to say things like that, because the emotional power behind rape is so extensive that it's almost impossible to compare it to other experiences in life.
But with something like, let's just say, growing up without a father: When I was younger (and even now) people say that if you don't have an adequate father figure then you'll be maladjusted to society to some degree.
I had to wonder growing up (and even now) if this would have been true or not if no one had said anything, or if society had a different view on it.
I don't smoke, I don't drink alcohol, I've never taken an illicit drug and I respect authority within good limitations. I'm not saying that it's not an exclusive endeavor, the statistics speak for themselves -- but I think a large part is the perspective from society.
And I think we could eliminate a lot of power from these sick bastards with a change in perspective.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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when the NSA publishes my porn, we'll see if it changes my outlook on this.
My dumbass would probably be more upset that the production value isn't up to my personal standards mor than anything
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I think society exacerbates issues by ascribing too much trauma to certain experiences.
In general (not speaking specifically about rape), I agree. Partly the fault of the 24 hour news cycle, partly due to social media giving everyone an opinion platform. It can be both a blessing and a curse having such a transparent and transient news cycle, and I don't think we have learned how best to cope with it as a society yet.
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I'm scared to say things like that, because the emotional power behind rape is so extensive that it's almost impossible to compare it to other experiences in life.
Rape is another game entirely. The psychological/physical impact on the victim is truly incalculable and ad such should never be taken lightly. The other side of that coin I'd that the psychological repercussions of being connected with such an act in any way, shape, or form are also so extensive that the "guilty until proven innocent" stance of many against the accused in these situations also needs to be reevaluated. "Slow your roll," isn't a panacea, but damn it couldn't hurt in a lot of these situations. Beats the hell out of the knee-jerk reactions that are so common.
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I don't smoke, I don't drink alcohol, I've never taken an illicit drug and I respect authority within good limitations.
Holy shite, this is me to a T
Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I don't smoke, I don't drink alcohol, I've never taken an illicit drug and I respect authority within good limitations
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Posted on 10/7/14 at 4:53 pm to BluegrassBelle
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But we're also setting up a situation where any girl who feels guilty for getting sleeping with someone when they're drunk can make some life changing accusations without much consequence.
Like a lot of things, the pendulum is swinging. And when it does, it usually goes too far. And then overcorrects.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:12 pm to sorantable
It's not about sex because anyone who is having trouble getting laid can buy a prostitute off of craigslist for about 100 bucks an hour.
It's about a need for power and control that stems from some inferiority complex a person may have. I think there is a psychological factor that a rapist has, in that he needs to force himself on others to have "release" usually from a deep seeded anger. Kind of similar to the satisfaction you get from "make up" sex after an argument except amplified 10 fold because it comes from a deep rooted anger at women or life in general, and in the rapists' case they equate releasing their anger with sex. Not much different than murderers, just a different crime. They get satisfaction out of knowing it ruins the girls' life and makes them as miserable as they are.
It's about a need for power and control that stems from some inferiority complex a person may have. I think there is a psychological factor that a rapist has, in that he needs to force himself on others to have "release" usually from a deep seeded anger. Kind of similar to the satisfaction you get from "make up" sex after an argument except amplified 10 fold because it comes from a deep rooted anger at women or life in general, and in the rapists' case they equate releasing their anger with sex. Not much different than murderers, just a different crime. They get satisfaction out of knowing it ruins the girls' life and makes them as miserable as they are.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:48 pm to deltaland
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That sounds as likely the reason behind their motivation as anything else I have heard. For many we will probably never know what their malfunction was. Some people are just broken. If it's a power over women thing then the jail sentence should also involve a woman taking a shite on their food once a week.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 5:48 pm to BluegrassBelle
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They probably think they can get away with it because of who they are.
Rapists think they can get away with it because the majority of rapists do in fact get away with it.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:17 pm to sorantable
I've never understood how a guy gets and keeps a woody when the woman is being assaulted. I guess some guys are turned on by that. Sick motherfrickers.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 6:41 pm to 3nOut
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I don't wanna get too personal here but my mother was an alcoholic while I was growing up. She was also a smoker. I was cognizant of the impact and just didn't follow her lead.
I know that alcoholism is environmental and genetic -- and know that my family has a history of it and so I decided not to even give it a try.
I think the worst thing I've ever done is finished up my prescription Percocet when I didn't have to. All things in moderation, but I try to stave temptation regardless.
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