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The plight of LSU fans
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:07 pm
As far as this website goes, there seem to be a 50/50 split between fans that are positive about the current stand of their program and those that are negative. The 50% that are positive seem to have a minority of realistic fans. The 50% that are negative seem to have a minority of unrealistic fans. Granted, this is an online demographic, and you're bound to run into a more youthful cross section.
That said, here's my question to y'all:
In general, do you think it's better for a program to have positive/unrealistic fans, or negative/realistic fans?
TO LSU FANS: I don't believe in tDecline bs... it's a silly but easy narrative for trolls. I have nothing but respect for your program, and that is well documented in my post history. The numbers speak for themselves, in spite of the people that are frustrated at the program. The point of this post is an exercise in what fans believe is in the best interest of "championship" expectations.
I, for one, think it's a working formula for fans to be able to call a spade a spade, and know when it's time to be negative. I think it's best to know what product you're seeing on the field in terms of an overall product and down to specific units like DB's or O/D-line or w/e... sort of a macro and micro view. Not to under-estimate the power of optimism.
I also think Bama fans would be largely what people are called on this site as "nega-tigers." I think it produces results!
That said, here's my question to y'all:
In general, do you think it's better for a program to have positive/unrealistic fans, or negative/realistic fans?
TO LSU FANS: I don't believe in tDecline bs... it's a silly but easy narrative for trolls. I have nothing but respect for your program, and that is well documented in my post history. The numbers speak for themselves, in spite of the people that are frustrated at the program. The point of this post is an exercise in what fans believe is in the best interest of "championship" expectations.
I, for one, think it's a working formula for fans to be able to call a spade a spade, and know when it's time to be negative. I think it's best to know what product you're seeing on the field in terms of an overall product and down to specific units like DB's or O/D-line or w/e... sort of a macro and micro view. Not to under-estimate the power of optimism.
I also think Bama fans would be largely what people are called on this site as "nega-tigers." I think it produces results!
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 5:01 pm
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:09 pm to m2pro
tl;dr
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:12 pm to m2pro
LSU fans as a whole wouldn't have the expectations they do if not for what they see week end and week out in the SEC West and Florida (pre-Muschamp)
- Multiple Heisman Winners/Nominees
- Multiple National Championships
- Multiple BCS Bowl Wins
- Former Coach having success in the Division
It all culminates into a desire for more because LSU has achieved success at least once in each of the things listed above, which is fine...but reality is thrown out the window.
- Multiple Heisman Winners/Nominees
- Multiple National Championships
- Multiple BCS Bowl Wins
- Former Coach having success in the Division
It all culminates into a desire for more because LSU has achieved success at least once in each of the things listed above, which is fine...but reality is thrown out the window.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:12 pm to m2pro
I'm often labeled a negatiger. I would definitely consider myself more realistic than 99% of the tiger rant. I was really less than optimistic about our QB situation this year and was occasionally laughed at and assured time and time again on the tiger rant that Cam Cameron would have one of the QB's performing at a high level. LSU sunshine pumpers are my least favorite fans in all of sports.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:14 pm to m2pro
I follow college football for entertainment purposes. I generally don't find misery to be entertaining.
As long as I continue to be entertained, I am positive. As soon as I become miserable, I stop watching and discuss changes.
Case in point: 1994 LSU vs USCe. This was the game after the interception game at Auburn at in the stadium, in the pouring dew, I became miserable watching Curley's shite show. I stopped going to games for the remainder of his tenure. Thankfully it ended at the end of that season.
But, in short, winning = entertaining. Losing multiple games in a row = misery.
Considering LSU is still 3-1, I am entertained and not miserable. Therefore you can count me as one of the unrealistic Positigers.
As long as I continue to be entertained, I am positive. As soon as I become miserable, I stop watching and discuss changes.
Case in point: 1994 LSU vs USCe. This was the game after the interception game at Auburn at in the stadium, in the pouring dew, I became miserable watching Curley's shite show. I stopped going to games for the remainder of his tenure. Thankfully it ended at the end of that season.
But, in short, winning = entertaining. Losing multiple games in a row = misery.
Considering LSU is still 3-1, I am entertained and not miserable. Therefore you can count me as one of the unrealistic Positigers.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:14 pm to m2pro
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:22 pm to m2pro
too Bama'ish;dr
jk OP - We've taken a step back this season, but one year we don't look like a contender, then you have the asshats coming out of the woodwork boasting about it. MSU fans on here could certainly use a dose of humility b/c true college football fans look past the childish insults and can actually discuss the game.
jk OP - We've taken a step back this season, but one year we don't look like a contender, then you have the asshats coming out of the woodwork boasting about it. MSU fans on here could certainly use a dose of humility b/c true college football fans look past the childish insults and can actually discuss the game.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:26 pm to m2pro
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largely what people are called on this site as "nega-tigers." I think it produces results!
The whole premise for your assumption that fans count in college football is false there for your question is moot.
If fans actually counted at all do you think there would be a committee to decide what teams play in a playoff. The fans are merely a means to get money, they actually don't count for shite anywhere in CFB. And that a real a shame but as long as we all keep eating the shite they are shoveling they will keep shoveling it.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:29 pm to m2pro
Interesting premise m2pro.
You might be on to something here. I remember when Saban was criticized for losing to Ole Miss in '01.
Apparently,by his reactions in the days afterward, he had not been used to such scrutiny in Lansing.
LSU went on to win 7 straight games, the SEC championship and a Sugar Bowl win.
You might be on to something here. I remember when Saban was criticized for losing to Ole Miss in '01.
Apparently,by his reactions in the days afterward, he had not been used to such scrutiny in Lansing.
LSU went on to win 7 straight games, the SEC championship and a Sugar Bowl win.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:32 pm to m2pro
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In general, do you think it's better for a program to have positive/unrealistic fans, or negative/realistic fans?
You didn't ask me, but I think the answer for happiness is positive but for football success is negative.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:33 pm to m2pro
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The plight of LSU fans
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:47 pm to m2pro
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In general, do you think it's better for a program to have positive/unrealistic fans, or negative/realistic fans?
Positive/realistic.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:48 pm to m2pro
Nice post.
There are probably subsets of both but in a nutshell I think its better to have positive/unrealistic fans. The "negatigers" are awful and really do nothing to enhance the program only themselves with 'see I told you,so'.
Sure,there is a point where one turns one way or another but I'd rather have positive fans that jackasses who seem to wallow in the teams' misery.
There are probably subsets of both but in a nutshell I think its better to have positive/unrealistic fans. The "negatigers" are awful and really do nothing to enhance the program only themselves with 'see I told you,so'.
Sure,there is a point where one turns one way or another but I'd rather have positive fans that jackasses who seem to wallow in the teams' misery.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:51 pm to m2pro
The LSU football program has been so good ... for so long ... that the bulk of the LSU fanbase has become psychotically delusional.
They are completely incapable of feeling thankful for a 10-win season, because they are utterly-convinced that they are simply ENTITLED (every year) to be competing for divisional, conference and national titles.
For the same reason, they seem to be completely unable to grasp that another team's fans (e.g., A&M) would be quite happy with a 9-4 season and successful bowl appearance and would be ECSTATIC with a season record of 11-2 and a fifth-place finish in the national polls.
In the minds of the collective LSU fanbase, those results are a failure of near-Biblical proportion. That sort of season is something outside the natural laws of the known universe.
For this reason, I am hoping that LSU fails to bowl-qualify this year.
I do not generally engage in schadenfreude, and I do not dislike the LSU football program. Such a result will be disappointing and sad for the young men playing the game (which I hate to see), but I hope that such a season would bring some much-needed perspective to the unrealistic LSU fan base.
They are completely incapable of feeling thankful for a 10-win season, because they are utterly-convinced that they are simply ENTITLED (every year) to be competing for divisional, conference and national titles.
For the same reason, they seem to be completely unable to grasp that another team's fans (e.g., A&M) would be quite happy with a 9-4 season and successful bowl appearance and would be ECSTATIC with a season record of 11-2 and a fifth-place finish in the national polls.
In the minds of the collective LSU fanbase, those results are a failure of near-Biblical proportion. That sort of season is something outside the natural laws of the known universe.
For this reason, I am hoping that LSU fails to bowl-qualify this year.
I do not generally engage in schadenfreude, and I do not dislike the LSU football program. Such a result will be disappointing and sad for the young men playing the game (which I hate to see), but I hope that such a season would bring some much-needed perspective to the unrealistic LSU fan base.
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 3:52 pm to m2pro
I think having faith and believing in your time is what you do as a fan. Those that criticize the program and the players and the coaches are the ones I truly don't understand. if it makes you that miserable then by all means go elsewhere.
By the 4th quarter pretty much everyone I was watching the game with had given up. I kept saying that it was possible. I got the usual responses "yeah it's possible but it's not gonna happen". Which is one thing I don't believe in admitting. if it's possible, I'm staying to maybe see it happen and that's all there is to it. Yeah maybe we have played like shite for 45 minutes, but I'll be damned if in these last 15 minutes I'm gonna give up just because it's highly unlikely.
Another thing that's frustrating is people that give up on a team and then when the improbable DOES happen, all of a sudden they are riding high again. You JUST gave up on the team, called the coach an idiot, said the players don't need to be on the field. And you were just proven wrong. What gives a fan like that the right to bask in the glory. They had given up, if it were up to them the team would be off the field.
If you're with a team, you're with a team through thick and thin and you ALWAYS believe. That's just the way I see it, call me a sunshine pumper IDGAF. I STILL truly believe that the Tigers can win the national championship this year. yeah it may take a fukin godsend, but it CAN happen.
By the 4th quarter pretty much everyone I was watching the game with had given up. I kept saying that it was possible. I got the usual responses "yeah it's possible but it's not gonna happen". Which is one thing I don't believe in admitting. if it's possible, I'm staying to maybe see it happen and that's all there is to it. Yeah maybe we have played like shite for 45 minutes, but I'll be damned if in these last 15 minutes I'm gonna give up just because it's highly unlikely.
Another thing that's frustrating is people that give up on a team and then when the improbable DOES happen, all of a sudden they are riding high again. You JUST gave up on the team, called the coach an idiot, said the players don't need to be on the field. And you were just proven wrong. What gives a fan like that the right to bask in the glory. They had given up, if it were up to them the team would be off the field.
If you're with a team, you're with a team through thick and thin and you ALWAYS believe. That's just the way I see it, call me a sunshine pumper IDGAF. I STILL truly believe that the Tigers can win the national championship this year. yeah it may take a fukin godsend, but it CAN happen.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:11 pm to m2pro
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there seem to be a 50/50 split between fans that are positive about the current stand of their program and those that are negative.
this has always been the case and will always be the case. people were just as critical under Saban, believe it or not.
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The 50% that are positive seem to have a minority of realistic fans. The 50% that are negative seem to have a minority of unrealistic fans.
I think both sides have equally over the top percentages relative to their position.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:13 pm to m2pro
For me it isn't so much about winning or losing as it is about seeing the team reach its potential. If LSU loses to a better team, so be it. But damn,if you can't see that LSU often wins in spite of itself you aren't looking closely.
I simply want the kids to have the best chance to succeed each week. I could care less how entertaining the game is. Hell, I thought the Bama 9-6 game as awesome.
I simply want the kids to have the best chance to succeed each week. I could care less how entertaining the game is. Hell, I thought the Bama 9-6 game as awesome.
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:15 pm to m2pro
Interior OL, we have talent.. obviously a huge step back due to scheme issue. Thanks Grimes.
Interior DL, we just don't have talent. Our best DL is a freshman.
Interior DL, we just don't have talent. Our best DL is a freshman.
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Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:31 pm to m2pro
Most of the negative fans are newbies who came upon the scene during the "turnaround"-Saban or even the Dinardo years, yes he went into a self inflicted downward spiral towards the end but he was responsible for changing the culture around the program. These newbies have NO idea what bad football is, & I'm not talking about being disappointed with a 10 or 11 win season or losing a BCS Championship game. I'm talking about the days of praying for a winning season or hoping Tulane doesn't whip your butt. These negatigers are spoiled & don't realize how lucky they have been over the last 15 years or so. They think Miles is an idiot; they've never met Archer or Hallman. Not only has Miles built upon what Dinardo (you have to give him some credit) & Saban created, he has added to it by winning & competing for championships, recruiting, & maintaining a top 10 program year in & year out. These negatigers don't want to give Miles any credit for competing in the toughest conference & division. I'm not a "sunshine pumper" & I feel there have been some underachieving or some scratch your head moments but you have to look at the big picture. Not every year is a championship year & even if Miles would tattoo "starter" across Brandon Harris' head & never line up in the I formation again this year, lsu would still not win the West, SEC , or the NC. This is a young team that is feeling the loss of 3 years of "early departures"; not an excuse-fact. Real fans knew this year was going to be rough & not without disappointments. What Miles does within the next two years is going to say a lot about him & either strengthen his legacy or destroy it.
I think it's easier for the "old timers" (40+) to keep a level head because they know that LSU fans are livin' the dream right now, as a whole. It's too early to jump off the top of the south end zone expansion or build a statue of Miles.
Only good thing about the whole negatigers vs sunshine pumpers.....it means people care, not many people cared in the 80's & early 90's.
I think it's easier for the "old timers" (40+) to keep a level head because they know that LSU fans are livin' the dream right now, as a whole. It's too early to jump off the top of the south end zone expansion or build a statue of Miles.
Only good thing about the whole negatigers vs sunshine pumpers.....it means people care, not many people cared in the 80's & early 90's.
This post was edited on 9/26/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 9/26/14 at 4:58 pm to m2pro
good post, i like to think i fall in the reasonable/positive category. that said, les is not infalable, which plenty of our fans have trouble coming to terms with. the recruiting in certain areas, or evaluations rather, have been off, he remains loyal to a fault (and he's admitted as much in the past), won't change the way we do things, etc.
basically gary crowton must have left behind the most awesome playbook ever because both stud and cam seem to love it. im sure kragthorpe would have advocated its use as well.
i heard a quote on the radio the other day from one of our media guys who is usually positiger extraordinare, talking about how he approached the TEs at fan day and asked if they thought they'd be more invovled this year. to a man, they all said "we've really just been working on blocking in practice."
OL has been a major disappointment, as has DL. les is an OL guy, and the trenches have been cruel to the team this year.
players need to develop and be put in places to succeed. im sure dj welter is a nice guy but you're routinely putting him out there and letting him get killed. missisippi state came into tiger stadium and pushed LSU around. they may win a game or two over time, but that should never, ever happen, not in that manner.
just want to see these kids put in position to have success on game day. there's been too many guys come through thru the program over the last 6/7 years that i just feel bad for (including jordan jefferson) because they never really had a chance.
this was never going to be our year but you'd like to see us use UL-M as a springboard to prepare for state, instead we're struggling to push the pile.
i still think the future is bright, but les has to adapt, recruit/evaluate better, develop these kids, and be a ruthless mother fricker on gameday.
basically gary crowton must have left behind the most awesome playbook ever because both stud and cam seem to love it. im sure kragthorpe would have advocated its use as well.
i heard a quote on the radio the other day from one of our media guys who is usually positiger extraordinare, talking about how he approached the TEs at fan day and asked if they thought they'd be more invovled this year. to a man, they all said "we've really just been working on blocking in practice."
OL has been a major disappointment, as has DL. les is an OL guy, and the trenches have been cruel to the team this year.
players need to develop and be put in places to succeed. im sure dj welter is a nice guy but you're routinely putting him out there and letting him get killed. missisippi state came into tiger stadium and pushed LSU around. they may win a game or two over time, but that should never, ever happen, not in that manner.
just want to see these kids put in position to have success on game day. there's been too many guys come through thru the program over the last 6/7 years that i just feel bad for (including jordan jefferson) because they never really had a chance.
this was never going to be our year but you'd like to see us use UL-M as a springboard to prepare for state, instead we're struggling to push the pile.
i still think the future is bright, but les has to adapt, recruit/evaluate better, develop these kids, and be a ruthless mother fricker on gameday.
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