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Posted on 12/6/25 at 10:22 pm
Posted by CrimsonTider98
Member since Nov 2017
807 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 10:22 pm
I've seen enough to say CKD is not going to be able to build a national championship level program here. We are basically back to where we were after the FSU game. Back to back years this team has regressed late in the season. CKD is a good coach but not a great one. His reputation was built on wins against elite coaches but Kirby Smart ended that tonight.The SEC has figured him out. I'm not saying we should fire DeBoer. We won't and we shouldn't at this point but we've seen enough data points to know he was not the right hire. Tonight was an embarrassment and an indictment on the type of program CKD runs.
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 10:24 pm
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3263 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 10:24 pm to
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Kirby Smart ended that tonight


Dumb. Just dumb. One loss doesn’t remove a historical record.

If DeBoer is done, Kirby’s been done for years since we beat them 41-24 two years in a row. But we both know that isn’t true
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 10:25 pm
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9934 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 10:36 pm to
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I've seen enough to say CKD is not going to be able to build a national championship level program here.


Dude has maybe the worst Oline in the SEC...and got his team to SECCG. Hes got a #2 recruiting class with players that fit better with his system. At least let the dude get his players in first
Posted by PBD4BAMA
Sweet Home Alabama
Member since Dec 2014
6371 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:01 pm to
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At least let the dude get his players in first

How long is this going to take and why have they not used the portal to speed up this process?
Posted by Tide-n-SC
Member since Jan 2013
30 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:10 pm to
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At least let the dude get his players in first


That's such an excuse... he inherited a more talented team than Curt Cignetti did at IU. And IU just won the Big 10 in year 2 and will be the #1 ranked team tomorrow. Instead we are relying on a committee to let us in the back door again this year.

Go look at CKD and Grubbs historical rushing stats at Washington and Fresno St. They are pass first. And their offense is what you see. They are usually towards the bottom of the NCAA in yards per game and yards per carry. This isn't just we don't have a good OL or group of RBs. And yes, I know this is probably the weakest RB room since the days of Ken Darby. And the OL is as bad as anything Bucket Step Bob put on the field.
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3263 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:11 pm to
I just cannot take anyone seriously that demands churning a coach who just went 7-1 in the SEC and lost a rematch against Georgia

Good lord some of you were spoiled by Saban
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4830 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:14 pm to
They had a 1,200-yard rusher who ran for 16 touchdowns the year Washington went to the championship game, and had 800- and 700-yard rushers their last year at Fresno State.
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 11:15 pm
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
34868 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:23 pm to
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How long is this going to take and why have they not used the portal to speed up this process?


Don’t ask questions. Blindly yell roll tide regardless of the product on the field. Welcome to TideFans.com 2.0
Posted by jellyhead
30' up
Member since Mar 2013
94 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:24 pm to
We can do it guys. Let’s band together. Dork.
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
Book Board Admin
Member since Apr 2024
7069 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:25 pm to
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That's such an excuse... he inherited a more talented team than Curt Cignetti did at IU. And IU just won the Big 10 in year 2 and will be the #1 ranked team tomorrow. Instead we are relying on a committee to let us in the back door again this year.


Well let me tell you about the team Deboer inherited at Washington and what he did with it. He even embarrassed a team that blew Saban out at home...

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Go look at CKD and Grubbs historical rushing stats at Washington and Fresno St. They are pass first. And their offense is what you see. They are usually towards the bottom of the NCAA in yards per game and yards per carry. This isn't just we don't have a good OL or group of RBs. And yes, I know this is probably the weakest RB room since the days of Ken Darby. And the OL is as bad as anything Bucket Step Bob put on the field.


Washington ranked 13th in total offense in 2023 and boasted 1776 yards rushing...

For the record, Alabama’s run game has been on a downward spiral every season since 2020.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4830 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:26 pm to
That is an absolutely fair question and we need to be hyper aggressive there.
Posted by crimsoncoded94
Georgiana
Member since Aug 2025
1350 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:26 pm to
I wont judge him until I see Keelon Russell start
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25904 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:27 pm to
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I wont judge him until I see Keelon Russell start


You judge him every saturday.
Posted by Tide-n-SC
Member since Jan 2013
30 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:27 pm to
UW ranked 106th nationally in rushing in 2023, averaging just 118 yards per game. Dillon Johnson had a solid season, but the team as a whole was still clearly pass-first. And in Grubb’s last year at Fresno State, they were 91st in rushing at 137 yards per game—again, against much softer West Coast defenses.

Just ask Seahawks fans how the run game looked with Grubb as OC. The running game tonight was the same story: anemic. After the opening drive—where we actually ran it three times—they basically abandoned the run. I think we had maybe 7–8 rushing attempts the rest of the game.

I’m not saying we need to clean house. But if the running game doesn’t improve over the next year or two, the heat is going to get turned up...

Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4830 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:27 pm to
These people are still mad at Saban for opening the offense up and moving it into the 20th century.

And some of them are pining for Kiffin who isn’t exactly Woody Hayes when it comes to hard-nosed offense.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4830 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:29 pm to
I am on record here multiple times as saying improving the running game has to be a major if not the major priority, mic drop.

But we’re never going to be a run first offense with these coaches.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
Panama City, FL
Member since Aug 2011
9328 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:30 pm to
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Go look at CKD and Grubbs historical rushing stats at Washington and Fresno St. They are pass first. And their offense is what you see.
I’m also pretty much off the DeBoer train, but for accuracy:

2020 Fresno State: 123.0 ypg
2021 Fresno State: 137.2 ypg
2022 Washington: 146.0 ypg
2023 Washington: 118.4 ypg

131.15 rushing yards per game overall.
Posted by Tide-n-SC
Member since Jan 2013
30 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:42 pm to
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Well let me tell you about the team DeBoer inherited at Washington and what he did with it. He even embarrassed a team that blew Saban out at home...


Honest question then — if that’s the standard, explain what’s happened at Alabama:

Lost to Vanderbilt.

Lost to Oklahoma twice when it actually mattered.

Lost to Florida State after a full offseason to prepare.

Lost to a Michigan team missing a huge chunk of its roster in the bowl game.

People love pointing out that he’s 2–0 vs Lanning, 2–0 vs Sark, and 2–1 vs Kirby. Fine. But that doesn’t change the reality that he has underperformed in his first two seasons at Alabama relative to expectations and the talent on hand.

And anyone who watched Washington in 2023 knows they weren’t some flawless juggernaut. They struggled with Arizona, Oregon State, and Washington State, among others. That’s not slander — it’s just saying fans should expect closer games than they’re used to, because that’s how his teams have played historically.

I never said Washington’s 2023 offense wasn’t elite overall. It was. But they were also the 106th-ranked rushing attack, averaging just 118 yards per game — and that was across 15 games to get to those 1,700+ total rushing yards. That’s the definition of a pass-first offense. The run game was clearly secondary, and when your offense leans that heavily on the quarterback, it’s absolutely fair to call the rushing attack sub-par.

None of this means DeBoer is a bad coach. It just means the pattern is real, and Alabama fans shouldn’t be shocked when the run game struggles — and the game margins are close and some don't go the way we expect.
Posted by Firegolding
Member since Oct 2020
257 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:46 pm to
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Dude has maybe the worst Oline in the SEC...and got his team to SECCG. Hes got a #2 recruiting class with players that fit better with his system. At least let the dude get his players in first
This is his Oline though I don’t know why yall keep saying it’s Sabans. RT Carroll recruited by him. RG Geno transfer portal under KD. PB transfer portal under KD. LG Dewberry transfer portal under KD and everyone forgets LT Proctor transferred to Iowa and came back a couple weeks later, yall think he did that without Deboers approval and NIL $$$.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4830 posts
Posted on 12/6/25 at 11:49 pm to
We became a QB-centric offense, maybe not a fully pass-centric but a QB-centric offense, when Saban was still here. I think that still rubs some old-school people the wrong way. I am old school, I am pushing 70. I don’t care if the offense is pass centric as opposed to run centric. I just want it to be effective and it isn’t right now.
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