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SEC Basketball vs the Torvik Top 100 - post-Thanksgiving Update & This Week in the SEC

Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:10 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:10 pm
Some positive momentum across the league over the break.

Wins vs Top 50
vs #3 Houston (Tennessee)
vs #12 Illinois (Alabama)
@ #15 St. John's (Alabama)
vs #15 St. John's (Auburn)
vs #31 Saint Mary's (Vanderbilt)
vs #36 NC State (Texas)
vs #37 Miami (Florida)
vs #49 VCU (Vanderbilt)

Wins vs #51-100
vs #62 Oregon (Auburn)
vs #66 Marquette (Oklahoma)
vs #67 Memphis (Ole Miss)
@ #80 UCF (Vanderbilt)
vs #82 Providence (Florida)
vs #84 Florida State (Florida)
vs #84 Florida State (Texas A&M)
vs #85 Xavier (Georgia)
vs #98 Maryland (Alabama)
vs #100 Minnesota (Missouri)

Top 100 wins
3 - Alabama, Florida, Vanderbilt
2 - Auburn
1 - Georgia, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M
0 - Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, South Carolina
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:22 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:13 pm to
The worst losses are

#112 Utah (Ole Miss)
#101 New Mexico (Mississippi St)
#90 Arizona State (Texas)
#80 UCF (Texas A&M)
#69 Kansas St (Mississippi State)
#59 Butler (South Carolina)
#56 Northwestern (South Carolina)
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:14 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:16 pm to
Upcoming Games (bold vs Top 50 teams)


Tuesday (12-2-25)
#10 Tennessee @ #60 Syracuse
#16 Florida @ #2 Duke
#18 Kentucky vs #23 North Carolina
#29 Georgia @ #84 Florida State
#30 Missouri @ #65 Notre Dame
#38 Texas A&M vs #94 Pittsburgh
#50 Oklahoma @ #54 Wake Forest
#52 Ole Miss @ #37 Miami
#97 South Carolina vs #76 Virginia Tech


Wednesday (12-3-25)
#6 Vanderbilt vs #47 SMU
#13 Alabama vs #32 Clemson
#24 Arkansas vs #7 Louisville
#26 Auburn vs #36 NC State

#33 LSU @ #116 Boston College
#34 Texas vs #28 Virginia
#79 Mississippi St @ #115 Georgia Tech


Friday (12-5-25)
#18 Kentucky vs #9 Gonzaga


Saturday (12-6-25)
#10 Tennessee vs #12 Illinois
#24 Arkansas vs #178 Fresno State
#26 Auburn @ #11 Arizona
#50 Oklahoma vs #90 Arizona State
#52 Ole Miss @ #15 St. John's
#97 South Carolina vs #356 Stetson


Sunday (12-7-25)
#13 Alabama vs #276 UTSA
#30 Missouri @ #19 Kansas
#33 LSU vs #42 Texas Tech
#38 Texas A&M vs #47 SMU

#79 Mississippi St vs #72 San Francisco
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
2656 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:33 pm to
No, the SEC is probably not quite as tremendous as last year. But it's still the best bball conference again.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:34 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

No, it's probably not quite as tremendous as last year. But it's still the best bball conference again.


It's still a really good league, but I think the B1G (and maybe the BXII) may have us beat this year.

The top of the B1G is certainly better, and the depth of the B1G looks to be pretty good this year too (Indiana, Iowa, UCLA, Ohio St, USC, Wisky, Nebraska, Northwestern). They have some stinkers at the bottom (Maryland, Minny, Rutgers), but it's a pretty deep league with an elite top group.

Same with the BXII - Houston, Arizona, Iowa State and then BYU, Kansas. The mid-bottom of the BXII isn't quite as good as it was in past years, but it's very good in the top half.

Posted by TDCat
Louisville
Member since Oct 2013
1200 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

the SEC is probably not quite as tremendous as last year.


Can't remember a year when the league had so many good guards. Every Tue/Wed/Sat was a battle.
Posted by UFFan
Planet earth, Milky Way Galaxy
Member since Aug 2016
2656 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 1:48 pm to
I can't really find any source that clearly ranks the basketball conferences. Pomeroy doesn't provide conference rankings unless you buy his subscription which costs $24.95, and I'm not going to spend $25 for that. Sagarin has inexplicably stopped providing CBK rankings ever since April 2024.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Open Dore Policy
The Commodore State
Member since Oct 2012
5429 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:03 pm to
quote:

Top 100 wins
3 - Alabama, Florida, Vanderbilt



Big 3
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20257 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

it's still the best bball conference again.

I dunno bout that. Michigan, Michigan St. and Purdue make the Big10 a pretty stout league.
Posted by mckibaj
Member since Nov 2010
8089 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

The top of the B1G is certainly better, and the depth of the B1G looks to be pretty good this year too (Indiana, Iowa, UCLA, Ohio St, USC, Wisky, Nebraska, Northwestern)


Forgot the #1 Torvik ranked team, Michigan. They look ridiculously good right now.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

Forgot the #1 Torvik ranked team, Michigan. They look ridiculously good right now.


Yea I was only listing the depth teams. Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State at the top is a formidable trio. I would have listed Illinois a few weeks ago, but not sure they are on that level. The coaching changes at Illinois and Iowa are huge shots in the arm because both of those guys can flat out coach.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 2:15 pm
Posted by tigerbait2010
PNW
Member since May 2006
32817 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:16 pm to
We will learn a lot about LSU in the next few weeks playing SMU and Texas Tech. I refuse to believe McMahon is a winner, but this is a team Will Wade would easily have in the dance.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

We will learn a lot about LSU in the next few weeks playing SMU and Texas Tech. I refuse to believe McMahon is a winner, but this is a team Will Wade would easily have in the dance.


Metrics really like what LSU has done so far, even against a relatively weak schedule. Need to take care of business at BC and then beat Texas Tech.
Posted by mckibaj
Member since Nov 2010
8089 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Yea I was only listing the depth teams. Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State at the top is a formidable trio.


My bad! But yeah, I think Michigan deserves to be ranked #1 in the AP Poll after what they did at Player's Era Tournament.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

I think Michigan deserves to be ranked #1 in the AP Poll after what they did at Player's Era Tournament.


Without a close 2nd. That was one of the greatest weeks of regular season basketball in modern history, and none of it seemed fluky or heat checkish.
Posted by SEC Doctor
Member since Aug 2024
10248 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:23 pm to
SOG, would you agree with the comparison below to last season's teams? Seems like the league might be a little more balanced but definitely not as good at the top.

Auburn - down compared to last season
Florida - down (nowhere to go but down)
Alabama - even
Tennessee - down
Texas A&M - way, way down
Kentucky - up
Ole Miss - even
Missouri - even
Ms State - down
Arkansas - up
Georgia - down
Vanderbilt - up
Oklahoma - up
Texas - up
LSU - up
South Carolina - even
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 2:24 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105690 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

SOG, would you agree with the comparison below to last season's teams? Seems like the league might be a little more balanced but definitely not as good at the top.



Yea I think I'd agree with most of that.

I'd only change

Ole Miss - worse

Oklahoma - at best even, possible worse

Texas - I think up by the end of the year but right now pretty similar

Kentucky - they might put it all together, but while this team has more talent 1-12, I think last year's team was a much better fit for Pope's style. This team feels like a bunch of very good role players mashed together without any great shooters in a system predicated on shooting.


But yea - last year the last KenPom Rankings had this

3. Florida (Champ)
4. Auburn (Final 4)
5. Tennessee (Elite 8)
6. Alabama (Elite 8)
16. Kentucky
18. Texas A&M
19. Missouri
22. Ole Miss


Currently

10. Vanderbilt
11. Kentucky
13. Tennessee
14. Alabama
16. Florida
22. Auburn
23. LSU


It's still a good league, and maybe even slightly deeper than last year, but I don't think there are the elite teams at the top that there were last year. At least not at this point.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
14485 posts
Posted on 12/1/25 at 3:25 pm to
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Texas A&M - way, way down


I figured they’d do well with Bucky-ball. Shows what I know.
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