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Interesting grades from Pro Football Focus regarding the Eastern Illinois game

Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:44 am
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82866 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:44 am
quote:

OFFENSIVE SNAPS / GRADES

1.) Geno VanDeMark, C – 61 snaps (78.4)
2.) Kadyn Proctor, LT – 59 snaps (80.8)
2.) Kam Dewberry, LG – 59 snaps (52.3)
4.) Wilkin Formby, RG – 48 snaps (68.3)
5.) Michael Carroll, RT – 43 snaps (78.8)
5.) Jaeden Roberts, RG – 43 snaps (73.9)
7.) Ty Simpson, QB – 40 snaps (72.1)
8.) Marshall Pritchett, TE – 30 snaps (62.3)
9.) Ryan Williams WR – 29 snaps (55.1)
9.) Isaiah Horton, WR – 29 snaps (63.6)
11.) Lotzeir Brooks, WR – 27 snaps (45.5)
12.) Rico Scott, WR – 25 snaps (58.1)
12.) Cole Adams, WR – 25 snaps (69.9)
14.) Kaleb Edwards, TE – 24 snaps (67.7)
14.) Keelon Russell, QB – 24 snaps (76.9)
16.) Jay Lindsey, TE – 21 snaps (53.0)
16.) Jalen Hale, WR – 21 snaps (49.5)
18.) Jackson Lloyd, RT – 20 snaps (63.8)
18.) William Sanders, LG – 20 snaps (61.4)
20.) AK Dear, RB – 19 snaps (68.6)
20.) Jaylen Mbakwe, WR – 19 snaps (71.0)
20.) Olaus Alinen, LT – 19 snaps (75.3)
20.) Jam Miller, RB – 19 snaps (65.3)
24.) Derek Meadows, WR – 18 snaps (43.8)
25.) Kevin Riley, RB – 17 snaps (84.6)*
25.) Brody Dalton, TE – 17 snap (78.8)
27.) MJ Chirgwin, WR – 15 snaps (68.8)
28.) Joseph Ionata, C – 14 snaps (66.8)
29.) Austin Mack, QB – 13 snaps (64.3)
29.) Dre Washington, RB – 13 snaps (58.2)
31.) Jay Loper Jr., WR – 12 snaps (55.5)
32.) Peter Knudson, TE – 10 snaps (49.3)
33.) Mal Waldrep Jr., C – 8 snaps (63.8)
33.) Casey Poe, RG – 8 snaps (59.4)
35.) Daniel Hill, RB – 7 snaps (70.2)
35.) Richard Young, RB – 7 snaps (73.3)
37.) John Gazzaniga, QB – 5 snaps (55.4)
37.) Micah DeBose, LG – 5 snaps (59.8)
37.) Arkel Anugwom, LT – 5 snaps (56.8)
37.) Graham Roten, RT – 5 snaps (52.8)
41.) Jack Sammarco, TE – 4 snaps (59.2)
42.) Ben Jackson, WR – 3 snaps (60.1)
43.) Peyton Fox, TE – 2 snaps (59.9)
44.) Cade Carruth, QB – 1 snap (60.0)


But I was told by several, SEVERAL, posters on this board that Ty was horrendous on Saturday afternoon and that Austin Mack was Canton bound based on his performance.

Weird, huh?
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 8:45 am
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16268 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 8:52 am to
Ty was fine except for the first INT, which was really not a good throw.

Not much to gather from the game last weekend to be honest.
Posted by A-TOWNUAFAN
Alabama
Member since May 2013
4994 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 9:01 am to
quote:

But I was told by several, SEVERAL, posters on this board that Ty was horrendous on Saturday afternoon


Goes to show why YStar gets downvoted to hell
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
926 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 9:14 am to
I do not understad the grading metrics. Cade was inserted into the game to do 1 thing for one play and he did it. How does that equate to a 60.0 grade rather than the highest grade of any of the QB's?

quote:

Cade Carruth, QB – 1 snap (60.0)
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16268 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 9:16 am to
Their individual grades are worthless.
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
4816 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 9:22 am to
quote:

TideSaint


Can you explain the rankings or you just gonna to regurgitate something you saw to attempt to discredit someone?
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82866 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 9:42 am to
quote:

Can you explain the rankings or you just gonna to regurgitate something you saw to attempt to discredit someone?


Sure.

Pro Football Focus has a ranking system that says Ty Simpson outperformed Austin Mack based on their play Saturday afternoon.
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 9:43 am
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11222 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:02 am to
quote:

Their individual grades are worthless.



Their grading may be worthless, I don't know why you think that though? Care to explain?

In abstract, competent coaching staffs are individually grading players based on assignments and their execution of it. So individual grading systems are not exactly abnormal.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19156 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:08 am to
quote:

posters on this board that Ty was horrendous


You think throwing one bad INT and almost throwing another a couple series later against a very bad team is good??

That was a really bad FCS team with 3-wins on the season BTW...
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19156 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:10 am to
quote:

Goes to show why YStar gets downvoted to hell


Where did I ever say we should replace Ty Simpson, talk much with Mack??

Even Keelon I have said clearly that he made the same mistakes Ty did and he wasn't ready.

Why I get downvoted has nothing to do with the content of what I'm saying and honestly downvotes matter only to those sensitive or children.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19156 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:12 am to
quote:

Pro Football Focus has a ranking system that says Ty Simpson outperformed Austin Mack based on their play Saturday afternoon.


This is shortsighted though...

All you have done is give credit to the dummies who say we should start Keelon because "Pro Football Focus has a ranking system that says Keelon outperformed Ty Simpson and Austin Mack..."

In the end all of that is nonsense because Ty Simpson is our QB, we aren't moving from him and no matter how much you guys want to stick your head in the sand about his performances of recent... they haven't been good and we NEED them to get much better.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
82866 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:27 am to
quote:

You think throwing one bad INT and almost throwing another a couple series later against a very bad team is good??


I didn't say he played great.

Just pointing out that a neutral ranking service shows he didn't play nearly as bad as this board thinks he did.

He was without two of his primary "safety" options in Bernard and Cuevas. Ryan Williams dropped an easy TD, too.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Member since Aug 2018
16041 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Can you explain the rankings


PFF's methodology is complicated.

You can read more about it here:
How PFF grades all positions at the NCAA and NFL levels

For this thread topic, you may want to just jump to this article that explains how QB grading works: How PFF grades quarterback play

quote:

The PFF grading system is all about isolating the quarterback’s performance on a given play. We bring context to every throw, with a focus on timing, decision-making, accuracy and much more. Raw passing stats are often a gauge of the passing offense, and pass defense, as a whole, the PFF system is measuring the quarterback’s contribution to that production.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19156 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Just pointing out that a neutral ranking service shows he didn't play nearly as bad as this board thinks he did.

He was without two of his primary "safety" options in Bernard and Cuevas. Ryan Williams dropped an easy TD, too.


Come on man, we were playing a horrendous team that isn't even FBS. Let's put that into context; they are terrible on FCS standards, talk much FBS.

When your QB is inaccurate against that secondary? Throws a INT and almost another in the same half?

That isn't good and if you would be honest he hasn't been playing well and instead of ignoring it this should be highlighted so he is motivated to recover himself.
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 10:51 am
Posted by Carlton
Forced LANKing made the GOAT Retire
Member since Feb 2016
14705 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 10:47 am to
I see PFF doesn't include leadership, pimpability, courage to slang the pill deep or height in their evaluation. I'll pass
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
16268 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 11:58 am to
quote:

In abstract, competent coaching staffs are individually grading players based on assignments and their execution of it. So individual grading systems are not exactly abnormal.

A coaching staff grading players wouldn’t be worthless. The coaching staff understands the role of every player on every play they call, how a player has been coached, etc. PFF does not have that knowledge. Take any of their individual rankings with a HUGE grain of salt.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55864 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 12:05 pm to
JJ Watt on PFF:

“I’ve heard personal stories of Uber Drivers telling NFL passengers that they break down film for PFF. That they watch the TV copy ONLY and put a grade out. You can’t watch film on a TV copy and make a grade. PFF player grading SUCKS. Stop putting it out.”
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4901 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 12:08 pm to
First interception wasnt bad. DB made a play. Second INT was hail Mary play.
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3201 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 1:47 pm to
They grade on a median. 80 would be above average, 60 would be below. They probably just slapped a neutral rating unless they actually looking for line adjustments or some jazz

Those aren’t the actual amounts but basically think of it as WAR. It’s not 1-10, it’s a range starting from 0

It has limitations, such as not knowing specific blocking assignments and having to assume what a defensive lineman has been told. It’s generally okay at assuming outside of lines though. It’s not 100% accurate.

That being said, Brooks Austin still has him as #1 in the SEC and that guy basically eats up film which should tell you how film guys are actually viewing his play as of late
This post was edited on 11/24/25 at 1:53 pm
Posted by TroyTider
Florida Panhandle
Member since Oct 2009
3976 posts
Posted on 11/24/25 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

Ryan Williams dropped an easy TD, too.


Ty is used to that
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