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Jeff Sagarin ratings seem off...Massey Poll composite poll included...
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:31 pm
Ohio State ranked higher than the undefeated team they lost to, who happens to have a more difficult schedule played to date.
Indiana above BYU despite same record and more difficult schedule for BYU.
Ole Miss ahead of LSU, despite losing to LSU and having a weaker schedule.
Georgia behind UT....same aforementioned issues...
Is Sagarin drunk? Will any of the playoff committee members be using his poll for research? I sure hope not...This was one of the BCS polls at one point.
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Massey Ratings:
Indiana above BYU despite same record and more difficult schedule for BYU.
Ole Miss ahead of LSU, despite losing to LSU and having a weaker schedule.
Georgia behind UT....same aforementioned issues...
Is Sagarin drunk? Will any of the playoff committee members be using his poll for research? I sure hope not...This was one of the BCS polls at one point.
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Massey Ratings:
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 1:34 pm
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Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:32 pm to Chicken
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Will any of the playoff committee members be using his poll for research? I sure hope not...
This isn't the BCS anymore, computer rankings don't matter. The committee does all the work now
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:33 pm to Chicken
Meh, Sagarin hasn't been close to being on it in probably 15 years.
Last two years were anomalies as well.
This year is an even bigger anomaly.
Sagarin's code at his best can't figure this season out.
Last two years were anomalies as well.
This year is an even bigger anomaly.
Sagarin's code at his best can't figure this season out.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:33 pm to ThisisAggieland
quote:sure, but you know they peak at these computer polls...
This isn't the BCS anymore, computer rankings don't matter. The committee does all the work now
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:33 pm to Chicken
Yeah, have OSU ahead of Oregon makes zero sense in any world.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:33 pm to Chicken
Florida at 21 
I think it might be crack or meth.
I think it might be crack or meth.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:35 pm to Chicken
It can happen because while you think of SoS being used in that way, it's most likely not used that way directly. The SoS is just an expression of factors usually calculated seperately.
That said, I've never thought his rankings were good and those look extremely terrible.
That said, I've never thought his rankings were good and those look extremely terrible.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:37 pm to Chicken
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Is Sagarin drunk?
Yes.
But the first half of a season is usually really rough on rating systems, which is why the CFP Committee is waiting until November before releasing their first ranking of teams.
Some systems don't even go public until midway though, because there just isn't enough data available from the current year.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:36 pm to paperwasp
But with the committee, some SEC teams will be left out that are better than some that got in. Conference champs getting the bye seems stupid
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:58 pm to Chicken
Notre Dame lost to effing N. Illinois.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:58 pm to Chicken
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Ohio State ranked higher than the undefeated team they lost to, who happens to have a more difficult schedule played to date.
Oregon won 32-31 at Oregon
take away the 3 points for HFA
Ohio State 31-29 on a neutral field
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Ole Miss ahead of LSU, despite losing to LSU and having a weaker schedule.
LSU 29 Ole Miss 26 at LSU
take away the 3 points for HFA
makes the game even
LSU beat SC by 3
Ole Miss beat SC by 24
Idk, I could buy that.
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Georgia behind UT....same aforementioned issues...
Georgia beat Texas
Alabama beat Georgia
Georgia beat MS by 10
Texas beat MS by 22
Perhaps the computer looks at the Kentucky game as a loss.. or maybe because Texas had won all of the other games by a large margin.
The ratings are basically equal. 92.55 vs 92.54, but I would have Georgia higher, so this one doesn't make as much sense as the first 2.
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Indiana above BYU despite same record and more difficult schedule for BYU.
No direct comparable teams. Maybe opponent of opponent.. Indiana has crushed teams though..
At the end of the day, computer rankings generally get better as the season goes on and more comparables can be input into the calculator.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:50 pm to Old1937
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But with the committee, some SEC teams will be left out that are better than some that got in. Conference champs getting the bye seems stupid
The whole "automatic qualifier" nonsense was added to capitulate to the Group of Five, former Pac-12, and other leagues that would never otherwise make it in based on actual on-the-field results and ranking metrics — it's a participation trophy.
Thus, in order for them to get their trophy, we have to have a championship game.
God forbid we get an overwhelming amount of SEC teams in this thing, so we have to find a way to guarantee that everyone else gets to play too.
In other words, yes.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 12:56 pm to Chicken
I prefer SP+
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:20 pm to Chicken
how is notre dame ahead of LSU? we have the same record and our schedule is harder.
that is just one example.
our record is better than ole miss. we beat ole miss. our schedule is harder and we are ranked below them?
this is crazy.
that is just one example.
our record is better than ole miss. we beat ole miss. our schedule is harder and we are ranked below them?
this is crazy.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:30 pm to Chicken
And just think...these polls used to help determine who played in the NCG lol
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:31 pm to Chicken
Pitt getting zero love
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:33 pm to Chicken
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7. Alabama
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:33 pm to WG_Dawg
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And just think...these polls used to help determine who played in the NCG lol
The good news about them is that by the end of the year, it's damn near impossible to get things too wrong.
But after dabbling in these things myself a bit, I lost all respect for most of the BCS computers. They weren't selected because they had good results, they were selected because good options didn't exist and the PTB didn't know better.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:40 pm to 3down10
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I lost all respect for most of the BCS computers
They were always the worst part of the formula.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 5:58 pm to bigDgator
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Florida at 21
I think it might be crack or meth.
Are bath salts not a thing anymore?
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