Devil's Advocate: Let's say that Deboer loses his mind on the sideline, ala

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College football is broken.......

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If it’s “broken.” it’s because programs are willing to cater to the players for the sake of winning. It’s a two-way street.

Let’s say John Doe is a 5th year Alabama QB from Tuscaloosa. He grew up a huge UA fan and couldn’t imagine playing for anyone else. He’s paid his dues in the program and is in line to be the next starter. However, he is only a slightly above average player. Meanwhile, 2019 Joe Burrow has a falling out at Notre Dame and wants to transfer. His presence in the offense could be the difference between 9-3 and 12-0.

Do you tell Joe Burrow you don’t accept whiny transfers who aren’t loyal to their school and tell him to find another landing spot? Or do you take Joe Burrow (and perhaps pay him NIL money to boot) and tell homeboy who lives for the program he will just have to sit the bench?

I suspect the latter.

Fans are like parents complaining about their children being spoiled brats when they are the ones spoiling them. Players can’t transfer if no one accepts them. Players can’t get NIL if no one pays it. So who’s at fault here? It’s the adults in the room who care way more about winning than they do shite like loyalty and education. But they will still bitch about players who care more about life changing money and opportunities than they do a fricking school.

The fans are hypocrites.

If you don't have discipline in your football players you won't have a disciplined football team. If you don't have a disciplined football team you won't have a winning team. Let all the players that don't want discipline to go elsewhere.

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If it’s “broken.” it’s because programs are willing to cater to the players for the sake of winning. It’s a two-way street.

Let’s say John Doe is a 5th year Alabama QB from Tuscaloosa. He grew up a huge UA fan and couldn’t imagine playing for anyone else. He’s paid his dues in the program and is in line to be the next starter. However, he is only a slightly above average player. Meanwhile, 2019 Joe Burrow has a falling out at Notre Dame and wants to transfer. His presence in the offense could be the difference between 9-3 and 12-0.

Do you tell Joe Burrow you don’t accept whiny transfers who aren’t loyal to their school and tell him to find another landing spot? Or do you take Joe Burrow (and perhaps pay him NIL money to boot) and tell homeboy who lives for the program he will just have to sit the bench?

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K. So when Texas makes an offer that Ryan Williams can't refuse at the end of the season, enjoy laying in the very bed you shite in. And hopefully you didn't contribute to any NIL collectives that funded his bank account.

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But they will still bitch about players who care more about life changing money and opportunities than they do a fricking school.

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"Life changing money"... as if a free scholarship, free room and board, free Healthcare, free meals, free transportation, free therapy, free gym access, etc. wasn't life changing enough. Just ask Timmy, the history major who's struggling to pay rent, about to have his car repossessed, living off Ramen, can't afford to see a doctor about his chronic migraines and will be in debt for the next 30 years, how many dicks he'd suck just to get a free meal once a day...

It wasn’t life changing enough for the people who are actually putting their arses on the line while others make billions off the sport. And college football stars and the average Joe Schmoe college student aren’t equivalent. It’s silly to argue otherwise.

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I was just wondering what may be the reason that Deboer isn't the harda** that Saban is.

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I would say personality.

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If you don’t have a disciplined football team you won’t have a winning football team. Let all the players who don’t want discipline to go elsewhere.

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Bobby Bowden once said, “If winning were all about discipline, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”

Discipline has importance. Don’t get me wrong. However, coaches put up with more shite than they would like because the body types required to fill an elite major college roster are very rare.

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K. So when Texas makes an offer that Ryan Williams can't refuse at the end of the season, enjoy laying in the very bed you shite in.

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I don’t care what Ryan Williams does.

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And hopefully you didn't contribute to any NIL collectives that funded his bank account

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I would not contribute a dime to NIL if it meant Alabama would win every game 50-0 until the end of time.

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"Life changing money"... as if a free scholarship…

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Would you like to bitch about coaches making eight figure salaries (and assistants seven figure salaries) while professors on campus with doctorates that are actually teaching students something useful to society make an everyday living?

Tell Timmy life isn’t always fair, and no one cares about anyone’s problems. They care what you can do for them. College athletes provide entertainment to the masses.

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Bobby Bowden once said, “If winning were all about discipline, Army and Navy would play for the national championship every year.”

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The problem is … donning Kevlar and trying not to go against my policy of not discussing politics or religion online … there are a bunch of people who continue to view football as an outpost for authority and against what they see as all the changes and in their eyes all the crap going on in the rest of the world, and get off on college coaches acting like R. Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket toward their players because college sports was one of the last places in society where authority figures could get away with such stuff without getting fired, put in jail, sued or having their arses stomped into a mudhole.

And the fact that the pendulum has swung and the people they used to consider gladiators performing for their entertainment now are getting a major piece of the pie and actually have some clout is IMO one of the major reasons people are so butt hurt over NIL, etc., although the pendulum does need to be dialed back a few clicks into a better equilibrium for the sport.

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If you don't have discipline in your football players you won't have a disciplined football team. If you don't have a disciplined football team you won't have a winning team. Let all the players that don't want discipline to go elsewhere.

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The last few years it seems Saban did not have a discliplined team either. In turn it made the GOAT retire. So not sure why anyone is shocked that other coaches can not handle all the its about me attitude when the GOAT could no longer.

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and the people they used to consider gladiators performing for their entertainment now are getting a major piece of the pie and actually have some clout is IMO one of the major reasons people are so butt hurt over NIL,

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I honestly don't think that its that. I believe people genuinely think that it takes away from the spirit of the game itself, and makes things less about actual football and pride for the university.

I would like to see the NFL put in a farm system like baseball. I would be happy watching Alabama play as amateurs. I could care less about Army - Navy or Harvard - Yale, but their fan bases love those games. When I was in school 1958 -1964 there were really only three teams we played that hurt me if we lost, and they were Auburn, Tennessee and Georgia Tech. I drove to Athens in 1961 to see the Georgia game, but it was just another game to me. I was also at the Georgia Tech game in 1962, which was a bizarre 7 to 6 lost in Atlanta. I am still having trouble getting over that game, and the circumstances surrounding it.

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I would like to see the NFL put in a farm system like baseball. I would be happy watching Alabama play as amateurs.

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Yep. Let the 4-5 star types go play in the NFL farm system and get back to having actual students playing who want to represent their school. If I really cared more about watching the best athletes play football, I'd watch the NFL. I don't. The way college football is going I care less and less about watching any of it.