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Is there any precedent for anything like the SEC dominance in baseball recently?

Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:48 am
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:48 am
It’s not just a few programs in the SEC that dominate the sport of baseball like in football, it’s the majority of the conference. Basically half of the teams in the SEC have won a national championship in just the past 7 years. It seems like a pretty unbelievable streak to me.

2017 Florida
2018 *choke*Arkansas*choke*

2019 Vanderbilt
2020 canceled
2021 Mississippi State
2022 Ole Miss
2023 LSU
2024 Texas A&M/Tennessee

Two years in a row the SEC broke the record of national seeds in the tournament as well and considering where the 2 new programs currently are I expect the SEC to break its own record again next year. You can basically narrow down next years champion coming from the field of the loser of this game, Kentucky, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma or Arkansas finally.

Posted by LsuTool
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:52 am to
Sec football
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:54 am to
SEC football could give SEC baseball a run for its dominance-money


Posted by Lucado
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 6:57 am to
Ya'll are missing the point. He's talking about how many SEC teams are doing it. In football it's limited to a select few.
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:02 am to
Yes in football you don’t have 7-8 teams that could win a natty from the SEC. Hardly have that many that have a legit title shot at all going into the season including the full field of ~135 teams.

The difference in the 2 sports plays a part sure, but next year for instance there are legitimately 10 different baseball teams from the SEC that could win a title, football maybe 4 from the SEC and that’s really stretching it.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 7:03 am
Posted by DeafJam73
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:10 am to
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Sec football


Maybe, but if not for Bama, how many would the SEC have? Maybe Florida and LSU would have each gotten one more, but what other teams could have done it?

ETA: UGA could have gotten 1, maybe 2 more.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 7:16 am
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:13 am to
It’s really incredible and unprecedented. SEC is a super league and greater than all other conferences combined. That’s your point and I agree

With new 12 team playoffs SEC will probably emerge as the super league also. Dominance has been clear but top heavy.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:14 am to
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Ya'll are missing the point. He's talking about how many SEC teams are doing it. In football it's limited to a select few.


Six programs for baseball versus five for football in the last twenty years.. not that far apart
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:24 am to
8 different teams have played for the NC in the last 4 years
2024 - Tennessee vs Texas A&M
2023 - LSU vs Florida
2022 - Ole Miss vs Oklahoma *
2021 - Miss State vs Vanderbilt

4 teams finished in 3rd Place (all lost to a SEC team)
2023 - Florida ** lost to Texas A&M
2022 - Arkansas ** lost to Ole Miss
2022 - Texas A&M ** lost to Oklahoma
2021 - Texas ** lost to Miss State

Overall, the SEC has won 44 of the 57 games from 2021-2024 *
12 SEC Teams have at least 1 win from 2021-2024 *
10 SEC Teams have won at least 3 games from 2021-2024 *


Wins in Omaha 2021-2024
44 SEC (77%)
10 ACC
2 TCU
1 Oral Roberts
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57 Total

Since 2021, every SEC team that made Omaha either won or were eliminated by a SEC team *
2021 Tennessee eliminated by Texas *
2021 Texas * eliminated by Miss State
2021 Vanderbilt eliminated by Miss State
2021 Miss State Won

2022 Texas * eliminated by Texas A&M
2022 Auburn eliminated by Arkansas
2022 Arkansas eliminated by Ole Miss
2022 Texas A&M eliminated by Oklahoma *
2022 Oklahoma * eliminated by Ole Miss
2022 Ole Miss Won NC

2023 Tennessee eliminated by LSU
2023 Florida eliminated by LSU
2023 LSU Won NC

2024 Kentucky eliminated by Florida
2024 Florida eliminated by Texas A&M
2024 Texas A&M vs Tennessee for NC (pending)

It's pretty incredible.
* including the two pledges
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 7:27 am
Posted by Riggle
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:39 am to
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2018 *choke*Arkansas*choke*


I like to think we caught the foul ball, and the resulting catharsis killed our fanbase. We are now in hell

Posted by koreandawg
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:41 am to
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Ya'll are missing the point. He's talking about how many SEC teams are doing it. In football it's limited to a select few.


I don't know. I still consider the dominance in football more impressive considering how much money others spend to try and knock us off. There's just more emphasis in an Athletic Department to be the kings of football.

We have the most national titles this century even with Bama taken out of it.

We've only sent three teams to the CFP, but consider that if Bama has lost, they've lost to the champion every time. And Georgia and LSU haven't lost to any non conference opponent.
Posted by dstone12
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 7:45 am to
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He's talking about how many SEC teams are doing it. In football it's limited to a select few.


Understood. But that’s dominance as well. So parity and the entire league’s ability to win the Tourney is intriguing. Maybe the wrong term was used.
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
7907 posts
Posted on 6/20/24 at 8:25 am to
2000 - LSU def Stanford
2002 - Texas def South Carolina
2004 - Fullerton def Texas
2005 - Texas def Florida *
2008 - Fresno def Georgia
2009 - LSU def Texas *
2010 - South Carolina def UCLA
2011 - South Carolina def Florida *
2012 - Arizona def South Carolina
2013 - UCLA def Mississippi State
2014 - Vanderbilt def Virginia
2015 - Virginia def Vanderbilt
2017 - Florida def LSU *
2018 - Oregon St def Arkansas
2019 - Vanderbilt def Michigan
2020 - no CWS
2021 - Mississippi State def Vanderbit *
2022 - Ole Miss def Oklahoma *
2023 - LSU def Florida *
2024 - Texas A&M v Tennessee *

19 of the most recent 23 CWS titles games/finals series has involved a founding/expansion SEC team -

8 times it's been SEC v SEC *

2016 - 2007 - 2006 - 2003 the outliers -

This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 8:27 am
Posted by BAP Enthusiast
Member since Sep 2021
153 posts
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:22 am to
I actually think the 12 team playoff has the potential to do the same for football. When the SEC could potentially get 6 teams in the playoffs, the parity will increase.

With that said, the SEC in baseball is just absolutely dominate. I think A&M winning every non-conference game is just the beginning because I don’t think it will be rare moving forward to see an SEC team do this.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Member since Sep 2010
22959 posts
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:27 am to
The SEC won 13 out of 17 NCs from 2006 to 2022. (and played in 16 of the 17 NC games in that span.) Three times, the championship game was SEC vs. SEC.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 10:30 am
Posted by BhamTigah
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:51 am to
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Since 2021, every SEC team that made Omaha either won or were eliminated by a SEC team *


Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:52 am to
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Maybe, but if not for Bama, how many would the SEC have? Maybe Florida and LSU would have each gotten one more, but what other teams could have done it?

ETA: UGA could have gotten 1, maybe 2 more.



UGA would have one more for sure in 2017. Another most likely in 2012 and another last year most likely.
Posted by TN Tygah
Member since Nov 2023
6617 posts
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:55 am to
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Sec football


Oh please. After Bama embarrassed us and proved they clearly didn’t belong and it was only SEC favoritism, the SEC is proving to be a laughing stock. DeBoer might be the best thing to happen to the SEC, he likely won’t get past the first round if he even gets that far. So his chances to fumble on the big stage in front of everyone will be limited.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11377 posts
Posted on 6/20/24 at 10:59 am to
quote:

I actually think the 12 team playoff has the potential to do the same for football. When the SEC could potentially get 6 teams in the playoffs, the parity will increase.

With that said, the SEC in baseball is just absolutely dominate. I think A&M winning every non-conference game is just the beginning because I don’t think it will be rare moving forward to see an SEC team do this.



SEC is not getting 4 in. 3 will be a stretch. 2 of the 5 guaranteed spots will go to legit contenders in the SEC and Big10 Champs. The other 3 will be there only because of the guaranteed spots. That leaves 7 spots open...the #2 teams in the SEC and BIG10 will almost certainly fill those spots. That will leave 5 spots. Notre Dame is getting in most years with 2 -3 losses....that leaves 4 spots. The runner up in the 3 non-legit conferences with a guaranteed spot will fill out MOST of if not ALL of those slots most years. Then there is the whole group of 5 non-sense. SEC will have 2 almost if not every seaason. Getting a third team in most seasons will be a stretch and a fourth will almost never happen. If it was about the best teams the SEC would have at least 3 every season and 4-6 most seasons...it is not about that, it is about 3 conference champs who play in conferences that are playing minor league ball while the SEC and Big10 are in the show and 7 spots going to a "committee". I hope I am wrong but when they gave 5 conference winners an automatic spot when there are only 2 legit conferences they pretty much laid out the blueprint the plan to use.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
11377 posts
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:06 am to
It seems that the way the baseball tournament is structured results on the field matter more than they do in football. Its a different animal I know and baseball is easier to play more games so each game is less meaningful BUT the baseball tournament is more in line with basketball where the cream usually rises to the top....football is tied to conference championships only...which would be fine if there were any semblance of parity among even 4 conferences....there hasn't been in a long time...at best there have been 2. Going forward there are certainly only 2. There have been multiple times in the last 20 years where 2-3 SEC teams would have beaten anyone in CFB but only the conference champ, and 3 times the runner up, played for a title.
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