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Roster limitations- Implications?

Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:47 am
Posted by bamaoldtimer
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:47 am
Was watching SEC Network yesterday and listening to all the coaches explaining their position.

You can have whatever number of players by using the simple formula below.

Cut Coaches salaries, AD salaries, cut SG&A expenses until budget balances.

So happy for the players

Ready for football.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26511 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 7:57 am to
If you think Bama and Georgia are going to cut coaches salaries, then you are a fool.

There are schools that would let everyone else cut salaries and then pay the most to attract the best coaching staffs.

That literally is college football for the past 15 years. Offensive coordinators are making more than head coaches.

If Bama wants to cut that salary in half, by all means. You first.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
39926 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 8:18 am to
You’ve been ready for unrecognizable SEC football.

Now we are getting ready to see it.

This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 8:22 am
Posted by rtr23242526
Member since Dec 2022
3295 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:56 am to
Tv money increase..TX OK

Add ..need an additional bump..

Use to payoff this bogus retro payoff bs...amateurs are amateurs til there not fine but retroactively
Posted by GreyReb
Member since Jun 2010
4602 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:58 am to
College sports is done...No longer amateur.

Might as well watch the Professional NBA, NFL, etc. if you want to watch a better product of paid players.
Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
1753 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:41 am to
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If you think Bama and Georgia are going to cut coaches salaries, then you are a fool.



Haha, you were a fool thinking you could beat Bama last year. Let’s not act like a petulant 5th grader

Not sure what you do for a living but running a business requires profits.

Where do profits come from? Having more revenue than expenses.

If Sankey can get more revenue from his tv partners, well, that helps. But don’t you think privately ESPN will say tighten your belt first then we’ll talk about more money

How about raising ticket and food and beverage prices..

Also, what about players before 2016? Why are they being left out?

Mucho mas lawsuits coming.

Let’s say you want 115 total players with 85 scholarships and 30 walkons. If you pay the walkons a reduced amount say $50K per year, which I’m just pulling out of my arse, that’s $1,500,000 per year.

Certainly Kirby and all these coaches who ?? their players so much would not mind taking a hit to keep little Johnny on the team
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:48 am to
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If Sankey can get more revenue from his tv partners, well, that helps. But don’t you think privately ESPN will say tighten your belt first then we’ll talk about more money


ESPN knows that the 9th conference game is still out there somewhere. An immediate form of increased SEC revenue. The coaches are discussing this very topic as we speak. Discuss it all they want, the Universities would be foolish if they allowed their business to lose their only leverage for a pay raise.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:52 am to
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An immediate form of increased SEC revenue


A 9th conference game is 8 fewer games of inventory.

Could it be more revenue?
Maybe.
But it most likely will cost each team a home game every other year (lost revenue) and cost the conference 8 potential televised games every year.

People act like a 9th conference game is a reason to ask for more money but most of the evidence supports the opposite outcome.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26511 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:54 am to
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Certainly Kirby and all these coaches who ?? their players so much would not mind taking a hit to keep little Johnny on the team


Do it.
Cut your coaches pay.
We replace coaches almost every year who become head coaches.
We would love to pick the best coordinators and position coaches at a discount.

Do it.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:23 pm to
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People act like a 9th conference game is a reason to ask for more money but most of the evidence supports the opposite outcome.


I'm not sure who is doing your math for you but TV revenue is the lifeblood of the sport. Don't take my word for it, ask the Pac-12, if their phone is still hooked up.

The current stumbling block is primarily related to ESPN’s apparent unwillingness to fork over more cash for more SEC league inventory. The Worldwide Leader has been noted more lately for laying off their own personnel than paying for more college football content.

Beyond the added money, it's always been more than obvious the two areas of concern for all these head coaches is their record. The stuff raises and getting fired are made from. They only think in terms of Playoff viability and becoming bowl-eligible. The 9th game be damn.

Since ESPN is in no hurry to ante up, the coaches and teams in the SEC can afford to play it safe and see how many SEC teams get invited to the 12 team Playoff this year on an 8 game schedule. When ESPN gets off their wallet we can always talk.
Posted by bamaoldtimer
Member since Dec 2009
1753 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:55 pm to
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Do it.
Cut your coaches pay.
We replace coaches almost every year who become head coaches.
We would love to pick the best coordinators and position coaches at a discount.

Do it.


Ok, here is my argument.
Under old system, recruiting was everything, 100 %. You needed great salesman who also were good x and o’s generals. Once you had them hooked you had them. Coaches could threaten, coerce, whatever. Guys got room and board and Pennie’s to live on. They were modern day indentured servants. You needed to pay outrageous salaries to get that PT Barnum recruiter.

Today. It’s the NFL. About money and for awhile the school colors but that will fade rapidly as the money increases. The kid from Alabama who made that catch against Auburn, Bond, Isiah Bond, could have lived in Bama lore and ate for free the rest of his life. All us Bama fans who thought he loved the uniform and the traditions of Alabama where very disappointed. He left Bama and I understand his first purchase was a Lamborghini.

So, Coaches are not as valuable in the furture as Nick Saban was 20 years ago.

Saban quit because he could not deal with the new realities.

Smart of him to protect his legacy.

Sorry for the long winded rant but if you think anyone is not vulnerable in the new paradigm of big time college football you are mistaken.

RTR
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
13284 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Was watching SEC Network yesterday and listening to all the coaches explaining their position.

Sankey's response - "We'll see."

Ask Greg about NIL, collective bargaining, private equity/capital, the portal, lawsuits ... freakin' what's for lunch, and Greg will respond "we'll see".
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted by bamameister
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Member since May 2016
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:05 pm to
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Under old system, recruiting was everything, 100 %.


It still is. Kelly didn't want to pay a Defensive Tackle 2 million dollars. Not many do. So you had better recruit better than you ever have to keep your collective from going belly up. The magic portal is a bidder's market most of the time, but it still takes salesmanship to get them to come. We still get kids taking less because we are ALABAMA.

quote:

The kid from Alabama who made that catch against Auburn, Bond, Isiah Bond, could have lived in Bama lore and ate for free the rest of his life. All us Bama fans who thought he loved the uniform and the traditions of Alabama where very disappointed. He left Bama and I understand his first purchase was a Lamborghini.



A lot of BAMA kids stayed when they could have been on the bidding blocks. For every Bond, Isiah Bond, there is a Jalen Milroe or Ty Simpson trying to make their stay at ALABAMA the stuff of football folklore.
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
Member since Dec 2020
7004 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:09 pm to
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a petulant 5th grader


What are "things a nerd would say," for 800.00, Alex
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26511 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Sorry for the long winded rant but if you think anyone is not vulnerable in the new paradigm of big time college football you are mistaken.

Smart and Saban sell the NFL money.
Are you going to take an extra $200k today and risk $15M in the draft?

You lose Saban and all of a sudden you don't feel like your new coach can make that same sales pitch.

That's funny to me.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26511 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

The current stumbling block is primarily related to ESPN’s apparent unwillingness to fork over more cash for more SEC league inventory.


That's funny.

Factually inaccurate which makes it funny.
Since you put it in bold, it is fricking hilarious.

If UGA plays Vandy, that is 1 conference game.
If UGA plays Clemson and Vandy plays Wake Forest, that is 2 independent games that can be televised by ESPN.

How many dawg fans does it take to convince a Gump that 2>1?
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
12158 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:31 pm to
I recently read an article about Georgias financial situation. It’s very good. Plenty of money and there should be no problem with all the new financial demands. No need to cut anything according to UGA officials. Major facility upgrades in football and other sports are underway or completed and NIL is going very well.
If other schools want to cut salaries, please do. It won’t be happening at Georgia.
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 2:43 pm to
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If UGA plays Clemson and Vandy plays Wake Forest, that is 2 independent games that can be televised by ESPN.



And when ALABAMA went to Austin 2 years ago it was televised on Fox. When ALABAMA plays Wisconsin this season Fox will carry the game.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26511 posts
Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:10 pm to
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And when ALABAMA went to Austin 2 years ago it was televised on Fox. When ALABAMA plays Wisconsin this season Fox will carry the game.


Those are away games.

Home games and neutral sites can be televised on the ESPN family of networks.

UGA vs Clemson in Atlanta is on ABC this year.
UGA vs Clemson in Charlotte 2021 was on ABC.

Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:13 pm to
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Those are away games.




We have those too in a 9 game schedule. Except all of them will be on ESPN.
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