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Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:54 pm to bamameister
Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:54 pm to bamameister
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We have those too in a 9 game schedule. Except all of them will be on ESPN.
Yeah.
I'm curious what you think...
Would Bama drop @Wisconson for the 9th conference game?
Or would they drop home against Western Kentucky?
Posted on 5/29/24 at 4:20 pm to meansonny
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Yeah.
I'm curious what you think...
Would Bama drop @Wisconson for the 9th conference game?
Or would they drop home against Western Kentucky?
I don't know where you are going and my interest is waning. A 9-game SEC schedule will bring substantial college football league inventory. That will then bring substantial league revenue or we stay at 8 games until. I will add that ESPN would also be downright giddy just thinking about offering even more marquee SEC games that capture the nation's interest.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 4:32 pm to meansonny
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People act like a 9th conference game is a reason to ask for more money but most of the evidence supports the opposite outcome.
Possibly, but a 9th conference games adds to the difficulty of the schedule overall and will most likely only add to the SEC’s strength of schedule which means more SEC teams in the playoffs, which means more money for the conference as a whole.
From the meeting being held currently by the SEC coaches it sounds like they’re in unanimous agreement on a 9th game, at least from what the articles written have said.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 4:41 pm to bamameister
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I don't know where you are going and my interest is waning. A 9-game SEC schedule will bring substantial college football league inventory. That will then bring substantial league revenue or we stay at 8 games until. I will add that ESPN would also be downright giddy just thinking about offering even more marquee SEC games that capture the nation's interest.
He's pointing out that it makes a big difference what games teams in the SEC drop from their OOC schedule to allow for a 9 game conference schedule.
If they drop big OOC games (like UGA/Clemson or Bama/Wisconsin) it doesn't help ESPN that much. ESPN gets Bama vs UGA twice But losing the home games for Bama/Wisconsin and UGA/Clemson, it's not a huge gain for them.
If Bama and UGA keep those premier OOC games and instead drop cupcakes, then it would add a lot for ESPN.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:12 pm to DawginSC
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If they drop big OOC games (like UGA/Clemson or Bama/Wisconsin) it doesn't help ESPN that much. ESPN gets Bama vs UGA twice But losing the home games for Bama/Wisconsin and UGA/Clemson, it's not a huge gain for them.
First time I've heard that, so it helps. But why? The B1G have a 9-game conference schedule and they still retain their major OOC game. And they need it. I suspect the B1G is also expecting the Playoff committee to make allowances for the added game when it comes to SOS and major OOC losses. The B1G also do a better job playing fewer FCS teams and I'm sure their TV partners would rather put on a better show there also. That may just explain why the B1G is outrunning the SEC with TV revenue every year.
If the 9-game SEC refused to play a marquee OOC game they frankly deserve what they get from the Playoff committee. And then I have absolutely no idea why ESPN would be motivated to pay more for what they have essentially now.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:15 pm to bamaoldtimer
“They were modern day indentured servants.”
This may be the most uninformed statement I’ve ever seen and on here that’s saying A LOT. These guys live better than half the US population. Housing, tuition, best food, best health care, private trainers, nutritionists, private tutors. It didn’t cost them one penny. Not one cent.
This kind of uniformed BS is what has gotten us where we are, no, they didn’t get a big “take” of overall earnings but neither do us out in the workforce.
This may be the most uninformed statement I’ve ever seen and on here that’s saying A LOT. These guys live better than half the US population. Housing, tuition, best food, best health care, private trainers, nutritionists, private tutors. It didn’t cost them one penny. Not one cent.
This kind of uniformed BS is what has gotten us where we are, no, they didn’t get a big “take” of overall earnings but neither do us out in the workforce.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:18 pm to bamaoldtimer
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They were modern day indentured servants.
You lost all credibility with this asinine statement. Get fricked you clueless dipshit
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:50 pm to FireDanMullen
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You lost all credibility with this asinine statement. Get fricked you clueless dipshit
Firstly when did this site ever have any credibility.
Wikipedia “ Indentured servitude is a form of labor in which a person is contracted to work without salary. The contract, called an “indenture”, may be entered voluntarily for purported eventual compensation or debt repayment.”
Before nil, pay for play, a student signs an agreement “ scholarship” to play football for education, food and housing. That’s a debt the student assumes.
That is indentured servitude.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 5:56 pm to bamameister
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First time I've heard that, so it helps. But why?
Teams have been more aggressive in their OOC scheduling in the SEC in upcoming seasons.
UGA in particular has several seasons with THREE OOC P5 opponents on the schedule. They have at least 2 every year from this year through 2034 (haven't scheduled beyond that date other than GT).
2026 - Louisville, UCLA, GT
2027 - FSU, Louisville, GT
2030 - Clemson, OSU, GT
2033 - Clemson, NC State, GT
UGA only has one cupcake in those seasons. They're not going to ever drop GT from the schedule. They want at least 6 home games every year for their season ticket sales. And one game every other year counts as a home game but is at a neutral site (the UF game in Jacksonville).
With a 12 game schedule, assuming the neutral site UF game counts as a home game in years UGA would have 5 home games with a 9 game SEC schedule, UGA would need to have at least one cupcake a season to get 6 home games each year. At the very least, the Clemson games in 2030 and 2033 and the Louisville games in 2026 and 2027 would be cancelled if the SEC added a 9th conference game.
SEC schedule = 4 home games. GT + 1 other P5 OOC game alternating home/away adds a 5th home game each year. Cupcake gets to 6 home games.
Other teams may not want to play more than 10 P5's and want 2 cupcakes each year. If Bama falls into that camp, they have 2 P5's every season from 2025-2034. Since they already seem to have decided 10 is the number they want (as they could have gone to 11 some years like UGA if that was something they were okay with), it's foolish to think they would cut a cupcake rather than a P5 OOC game.
And you can't blame the teams really. 10 is what most Big 10 teams schedule.
Wisconsin only plays more than one OOC P5 once in their future schedules (2026 where they have a neutral site game against Notre Dame). Michigan doesn't go above 10 at all (and has some with no P5 OOC games as early as 2029 right now). Ohio State is the same as Michigan.
If the Big 10 is okay with 9 conference games, 1 OOC game and 2 cupcakes for their 12 game schedule, you'll see the same from the SEC. And while that might not impact those who schedule the worst OOC in the SEC, it absolutely will impact teams who schedule well, like UGA, Bama, Florida and South Carolina.
Those teams are going to cut big time OOC matchups because they can't afford to lose a home game every year by just cutting cupcakes. They're already at that limit because they are scheduling 2 and sometimes 3 P5's OOC.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:00 pm to bamameister
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A 9-game SEC schedule will bring substantial college football league inventory
It doesn't add extra inventory.
Eliminating 2 out of conference matchups for 1 conference matchup will never increase inventory.
This isn't rocket science level math.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:00 pm to bamaoldtimer
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Wikipedia “ Indentured servitude is a form of labor in which a person is contracted to work without salary. The contract, called an “indenture”, may be entered voluntarily for purported eventual compensation or debt repayment.”
This is being intentionally misleading.
Some other parts of that wikipedia entry you left out:
"or imposed involuntarily as a judicial punishment. The practice has been compared to the similar institution of slavery, although there are differences."
"Like any loan, an indenture could be sold; most masters had to depend on middlemen or ships masters to recruit and transport the workers, so indentureships were commonly sold by such men to planters or others upon the ships arrival. Like slaves, their price went up or down, depending on supply and demand. When the indenture (loan) was paid off, the worker was free but not always in good health or of sound body."
No, an athletic scholarship agreement is really nothing like indentured servitude. You can't be sold to another school as a scholarship player. You can leave your football team (which also means giving up your scholarship) at any time. You couldn't stop being an indentured servant any more than you could quit being a slave.
Your coparison is not a good one.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:03 pm to FireDanMullen
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Possibly, but a 9th conference games adds to the difficulty of the schedule overall and will most likely only add to the SEC’s strength of schedule which means more SEC teams in the playoffs, which means more money for the conference as a whole.
Nope.
Strength of schedule doesn't trump losses when comparing what we traditionally know as P5 teams.
You lose a game, you move down.
Every time up until the playoffs start.
A team might be the top 1 loss team or top 2 loss team. But they are clustered with the other losing teams.
You know this. I'm not sure why a strength of schedule argument would be different in 2025 versus 2021.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:13 pm to meansonny
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Nope. Strength of schedule doesn't trump losses when comparing what we traditionally know as P5 teams. You lose a game, you move down. Every time up until the playoffs start. A team might be the top 1 loss team or top 2 loss team. But they are clustered with the other losing teams. You know this. I'm not sure why a strength of schedule argument would be different in 2025 versus 2021.
Your coach was in an article today saying the exact opposite of what you’re saying but I’m sure you know more than the most powerful coach in college football currently.
The main difference between 2025 and 2021 is there’s 8 more playoff spots. A 10-3 team playing a vastly superior schedule to an 11-2 team will be given the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:21 pm to FireDanMullen
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Your coach was in an article today saying the exact opposite of what you’re saying but I’m sure you know more than the most powerful coach in college football currently.
He says things for a purpose.
Talking to his team.
Talking to a recruit.
That's how he uses the media.
We can pick apart a ton of coachspeak because Kirby isn't the only one to do this.
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The main difference between 2025 and 2021 is there’s 8 more playoff spots. A 10-3 team playing a vastly superior schedule to an 11-2 team will be given the benefit of the doubt.
You use the word "vastly superior". The problem is that comparing an SEC team to an ACC team who schedules OOC opponents... the differences won't be vastly superior.
The SEC team may be at the top of the 1 or 2 loss heap. But they aren't jumping undefeateds without an injury to the QB or something
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:24 pm to DawginSC
I'm all for 9-game SEC if we get the regular season extended to 13 games.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:29 pm to meansonny
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He says things for a purpose. Talking to his team. Talking to a recruit. That's how he uses the media. We can pick apart a ton of coachspeak because Kirby isn't the only one to do this.
Thanks, most likely 45 year old + man who pretends he’s a Grad assistant on the team, but he was talking to an all coaches event discussing the benefits of adding a 9th conference game to the schedule and referencing its relevance to the playoffs. It’s ok to admit you pulled that one out of your arse. No one cares.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:30 pm to meansonny
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The problem is that comparing an SEC team to an ACC team who schedules OOC opponents... the differences won't be vastly superior.
A 13-0 ACC team defeated a ranked SEC team this season and was left out of the playoff. Strength of schedule had a large part to do with it.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:42 pm to FireDanMullen
I can't tell if you are carrying water for FSU or shitting on FSU, your posts are all over the place.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:47 pm to deeprig9
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I can't tell if you are carrying water for FSU or shitting on FSU, your posts are all over the place.
How exactly? I’m saying their weak schedule kept them out. Despite the fact they beat an SEC team out of conference. Their schedule was still so weak overall it didn’t matter
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 6:48 pm to FireDanMullen
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A 13-0 ACC team defeated a ranked SEC team this season and was left out of the playoff. Strength of schedule had a large part to do with it.
You are going to ignore the QB situation?
100% of the discussion about whether FSU should be in or out surrounded the QB situation.
Not the strength of schedule.
You know this. Why the sudden amnesia?
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