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Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by BigDickRick16
Tennessee
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:04 pm to
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but I don't like Tony Vitello and he has a losing record against


That doesn’t mean a lot really. LSU has a losing record against Vitello and they won Natty last year.

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I wouldn't get too cocky.

With our History, I am not getting cocky at all. In fact after that 2022 year, the cockiness had been tempered down a little.

I’m simply saying that Arkansas is one of those teams that has done less with more and no one bats an eye at them. In fact everyone think Arkansas has this long if history in baseball, and that’s simply not the truth. Sure they have won a lot of regular season games, but they have only made the Championship game 1 more time than Tennessee in school history with twice as many chances.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19783 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:08 pm to
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I clearly remeber DVH abusing Kopps in the SEC tournament just so they could win it. Kopps pitched 6 innings in 3 days with 1 day rest in between.


Coaches go by pitch count and Kopps was a reliever. If his pitch count was too high he wouldn’t have been used. Dave isn’t going to hurt a pitcher in a meaningless game.
Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
17823 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:09 pm to
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What is everyone’s prediction for them the SEC Tournament, and NCAA Postseason?


State & Ole Miss both rode 1 dominant starter + bullpen by committee all the way to Championships.
Arkansas definitely has the starter. Just need more thump from anywhere in the lineup to make a run at winning it all
Posted by BigDickRick16
Tennessee
Member since Mar 2023
1176 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:13 pm to
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think the larger point if you also haven’t won a CWS

And neither has Arkansas. What College World Series have they won?

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post season success than you.

Been to the NCAA tournament more times than Tennessee and yet only been to the championship game 1 more time. Tennessee also has more SEC Tourny Titles than Arkansas.

But since Vitello has showed up, he has had more success than DVH in the last 5 years. Tennessee is the only school in the SEC to make 2 of the last 3 years to Omaha.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19783 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:18 pm to
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Back to top I know they are currently ranked #1 for the next 18 hours, but are they really the #1 team or even top 5? Outside of Hagen Smith(best pitcher in NCAA) who else do they have? Their pitching staff is good, but the hitting is the complete opposite. They gonna win most times Smith starts, but looking at this weekend, UK is exposing the other Arkansas pitchers. Also Arkansas hitting is in the bottom half of the SEC.


First of all aggie is currently #1, second of all, why are you so pissed off that you felt compelled to make this type of thread? No one cares.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21362 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:19 pm to
If Arkansas had the bats from the 2021 season then they would be a complete team.
Posted by BeattheVols
Member since Apr 2022
768 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:26 pm to
You and Vitello can go straight to Hell!
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21362 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:43 pm to
Arkansas gets out of a regional to face NC State in the Supers.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43037 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 3:49 pm to
They already peaked
Downhill from here
Let’s hope van horn saves hagen’s arm for pro ball
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21362 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:11 pm to
A good baseball team that has too many holes in the battling lineup.
Posted by Clark14
L.A.Hog
Member since Dec 2014
19783 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 4:22 pm to
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They already peaked Downhill from here Let’s hope van horn saves hagen’s arm for pro ball


Beating your team this year doesn’t indicate peaking…
Posted by TheJuicey
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2019
3514 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 6:30 pm to
I think Arkansas is a Top 15 team, not a Top 5 team for your exact reason. They will win the game Smith starts almost all the time, but they will struggle the next two games.

Arkansas also started the season playing literally the worst teams in the SEC and struggled at times. Since they have gotten in the back half they have lost 2 of their last 4 series. They will lose at A@M.

Good, not great team. Likely host a Regional and Super, but will be bounced in the Super.
Posted by Hugh McElroy
Member since Sep 2013
17500 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 6:32 pm to
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I also agree that Tennessee should be #1 come tomorrow.


UT lost to Lipscomb this week.

Nobody deserves to be #1 right now.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21362 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 6:53 pm to
No one is going to force DVH into retirement. He has done well enough to leave on his own if he wants to. I'm just content he isn't Mike Martin and Arkansas isn't Florida State....yet.
Posted by BallHawg10
On the Flagship - Fayetteville
Member since Mar 2011
4071 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 7:05 pm to
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think Arkansas is a Top 15 team, not a Top 5 team for your exact reason. They will win the game Smith starts almost all the time, but they will struggle the next two games. Arkansas also started the season playing literally the worst teams in the SEC and struggled at times. Since they have gotten in the back half they have lost 2 of their last 4 series. They will lose at A@M. Good, not great team. Likely host a Regional and Super, but will be bounced in the Super.


This feels right to me
Posted by Csmims
Orange Beach Alabama
Member since Jan 2019
1846 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 7:43 pm to
Obviously new baseball fan. Without even looking I know UCLA won the World Series in 2013 and hit 250 with less than 20 homers. There are other similar champions It all depends on who gets hot and how the breaks fall. That’s what makes baseball interesting. Anything can happen.
Posted by RTRnFlorida
Tampa, FL
Member since Mar 2024
184 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 8:01 pm to
I’m no Arkansas fan but having the best pitcher in Baseball and top 10 in every possible statistical category is pretty damn good. Last year, LSU was good, but I think most LSU fans would admit, without Skeens throwing 100+ every pitch, they might not have won it all.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21362 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 8:28 pm to
LSU was much superior in the bats than Arkansas last year.

Number one in the SEC in batting average, slugging percentage, on base percentage, runs scored, hits, runs batted in, total bases, at plate appearances, at bats, walks and hit by pitch.

Number two in the SEC in home runs, triples and doubles.

That was a complete LSU team last year while Arkansas right now...is not.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
3907 posts
Posted on 5/5/24 at 8:40 pm to
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I have already said they have good pitching. I guess you missed that part though?


You also said this the sentence before it:

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Outside of Hagen Smith(best pitcher in NCAA) who else do they have?


So you did say we had only one guy. If you're gonna troll, by all means troll. Don't pussy out when you get called a dumbass.

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What have they won? They have as many national titles as Tennessee, and has only made the championship game one more time than the Vols. Everyone wants to point out how the Vols have no titles in baseball, but they did have more SEC tournament titles than the Hogs and only have 2 more regular season SEC titles than the Vols.

So I ask again, what exactly have they won? Theirs an argument to be had they are the biggest choke artist of anyone in the SEC. Win alot of games in regular season, but shite the bed every year in the NCAA tournament.


The "they just know how to win" was pertaining to getting it done this season, despite our glaring offensive deficits. A 40–9 record is most unexpected of a team that can't consistently score and goes up shite creek when a pitcher is having a bad day. Surely you understand that it wasn't about our aggregate baseball history. You go on this diatribe about history in the SECT, and the SECT doesn't even mean anything in baseball and basketball, aside from jockeying for a better seeding. Arkansas and Tennessee have been above needing that for the most part as of late.

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Vitello and DVH were about the same age when they started at Arkansas and Tennessee. Vitello may had been a little younger, but you get the point. I honestly believe Vitello will win a National Title by time he is 63 years old.


Fully agreed. Vitello has a much higher upside, given how much longer he has to get the work done. Then again, NCs are elusive, and baseball is the most fickle bitch of them all.

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This is a lie. I clearly remeber DVH abusing Kopps in the SEC tournament just so they could win it. Kopps pitched 6 innings in 3 days with 1 day rest in between.


I don't even know if this is actually true, but Kopps was 24 years old and was the best pitcher in the nation being used as a closer. He could handle six whole innings over three days. It's interesting you chose this and not the third NC State game in the Supers where DVH had him pitch the entire game - which was really the only time he overly stretched anyone out over the season, but we'd been dealing with fluke injuries that left us desperate.

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But yo answer your question, Arkansas has twice as many NCAA appearances as the Vols, but have only made the championship game 1 more time than the Vols. Since Vitello has come on board, he has as many NCAA Appearances as DVH since 2018.


Truthfully, there's a subset of our fan base that gets really fricking annoying when it comes to DVH, especially the idiots on hogville. Since the dark days of last decade, he was consistently the only coach we had in the major sports who could win at a high cut and have us in the hunt for hardware by the post-season. And really, that's all a reasonable person could ask for. Baseball is volatile and you never know what's gonna happen, he could easily frick around and win back-to-back natties before retiring. Will he? Almost surely not. But objectively, he's the baseball Mark Richt. He wins a lot. A whole lot. But he just can't seem to get it done when it matters. In the time he's been the HC at Arkansas, seven of the other 15 SEC teams (counting Texas and Oklahoma) have won an NC, and two others have matched his high water mark of runner-up. And he's the oldest baseball HC in the conference on top of that. He's good, but that fact alone lowers him to mortal status, and I get tired of fans acting like someone insulted their mother when his deficiencies get brought up.

I'm pretty much never going to want the guy to get fired, but he's leaving sooner rather than later, and I have all the confidence that we'll find a suitable replacement. He's not infallible, and his weird loyalty to Nate Thompson is costing him hand-over-fist with how our offense goes predictably cold.

The fact about this team: We've gone undefeated in Friday games. That speaks to our ace being the best in the nation. We've gone undefeated in the midweek, and we may be the only team in the country to do that. That speaks to our pitching depth. We're 31–2 at home. That speaks to our chances when hosting a Regional or Super Regional. Our two series losses were on the road to ranked teams - one in the top ten. That's why we've been a top five team all year.

But if we play a team that's getting hot in the Supers, we're likely fricked. If we get past the Supers, I'll consider that a successful season. But it wouldn't surprise me if we went two and queue in the CWS if we did make it.
Posted by Gordy
Fayetteville
Member since Dec 2015
1729 posts
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:45 am to
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BigDickRick16
SPHricky let's see your championship trophy??
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