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Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:07 am
Posted by TigahFan85
Member since Feb 2024
427 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:07 am
In an article the other day Kirt Herbstreit was talking about how he could see the major conferences' breaking away from the NCAA and forming their own governing body in sports.

What are your thoughts on this?
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
13267 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:10 am to
Less about "breaking away" since the NCAA is comprised of its member institutions and more about creating a secondary governing body for the new world of what are basically pro athletes.

They'll do it in some way.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
51164 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:15 am to
Football should break away and be separate from the other sports

Let NCAA manage the other sports if they want and keep their cash cow ncaa hoops tourney

Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9892 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:23 am to
I think Herbie and a lot of others are being lazy about assessing the power structure.

The B1G and SEC's goal has never been to breakaway, or to create some league with 'X' number of teams that compete separately from the rest of college football.

The B1G, the SEC, and their members are not a governing body over the college football landscape. They don't want to be. They are players within an existing framework, and their goal is to grab as much power within that framework without entirely breaking it as possible.

There is a reason the B1G and SEC are both reluctant to expand further, or that networks are not interested in opening up the bank to pay them to add more members: conferences can get too big to function. I've said it since day one, and I maintain that the B1G and SEC will both get to 20 members and stop. They won't breakaway from the NCAA (or whatever successor organization may eventually emerge). Instead, the B1G and SEC will use their considerable sway to operate on extremely favorable terms and make a ton of money in the process at the expense of everyone else. Not so different than the FBS and FCS environment we already know and love.
Posted by Rodo
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
925 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:28 am to
100% it will happen. The top 40ish have little in common with the bottom sixty.

Also, count on...

1. Major conferences will prune schools.
2. Left behind schools, strapped for cash, will start cutting non-rev sports.

Rodo
Posted by SRV
Banging in The Rock
Member since Nov 2021
1529 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:33 am to
quote:

BreakawayZou83


Agreed

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130715 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:35 am to
The SEC and big10 need to form an association, and then let others in as needed.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
51164 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:35 am to
also the new football landscape needs to put rules in place to govern the sport and if the athletes don't want to play by those rules while earning on nil they can find another league to play in
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:52 am to
The big 2 plus whoever else they invite will stay in the NCAA as long as it suits their interests. When it doesn't, they'll leave.

They won't leave because they can. They've been able to for a long time now. Some sort of organization above the conferences is needed and while the Big 10 and SEC have to power to force that to change, they're not going to without a reason to do so.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
44283 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:02 pm to
quote:

1. Major conferences will prune schools. 2. Left behind schools, strapped for cash, will start cutting non-rev sports.


The new SEC

LSU, UF, UGA, Bama, AU, Tenner, UT, OU, Ole Miss or MSU (not both), SC and prune the rest
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 2:12 pm
Posted by TailbackU
ATL
Member since Oct 2005
12256 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:03 pm to
The non-revenue sports need to keep within some sort of governing organization. And they don’t necessarily need to fall by conference alignment. It makes absolutely no sense that the former Pac 12 teams volleyball and women’s basketball and sports like that have to cross the country to play a match. They should form their own conferences that are geographically suitable. Football is another story. They should absolutely break away from the NCAA.
Posted by OlGrandad
Member since Oct 2009
4055 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:31 pm to
Vince Dooley tried to get this started many years ago. Georgia folks might remember this. Seems he wanted a 64 team association.
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9892 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

The SEC and big10 need to form an association, and then let others in as needed.

But why would the B1G and SEC need to form a new association/league/etc. in order to better themselves? They've already won in the existing power structure. Leaving it behind doesn't guarantee any additional power or money. The SEC doesn't share its conference revenue dollars with the Big 12 or the ACC. And Alabama doesn't share its ticket sales or merchandising revenues with Washington State or Kansas. And the NCAA itself really doesn't make that much money from college football (the vast majority of its revenue comes from the NCAA Tournament, which would not follow a league consisting only of the B1G and SEC). And most of that tournament money gets distributed back to NCAA schools.

I'm not sure all that many universities or fans want theses conferences to turn into a version of the XFL either. There would be devastating consequences to non-revenue sports, and it would further spoil the tradition of college sports to a point that some fans may simply turn away and think "well now this is just a shittier version of the NFL".

I think the likely result is that the B1G and SEC each add a few more members, start playing 9 (B1G already does) or even 10 conference games each year, and they create a four-team conference playoff, and have the vast majority of the guaranteed playoff spots. Basically, they will be playing mini leagues of their own within the confines of the existing power structure, with member schools generating 3-4x the revenue of non-B1G/SEC schools.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30995 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 1:39 pm to
The NCAA is an organization teams join voluntarily, and it was formed by the schools. They can "break away" at any time.

The issue with the NCAA and the big time sports is that their rules typically apply to all levels of college sports, and it can at times collide with the bigger teams of those sports. And they have addressed that by giving them more freedom.

This stuff with Tennessee and trying to allow boosters to enable pay to play will be a disaster with or without the NCAA. The idea groups of people/organizations can't form together and follow a set of rules in order to create a product and something of value is ridiculous. If you want professional football, go watch the NFL.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
16645 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 1:43 pm to
The NCAA remains clueless about handling NIL and has put self-governing superconferences in the passing lane. The NCAA and the Roman Empire have this much in common, they were both destroyed from within.

Posted by theballguy
tMoral compass of poliboard
Member since Oct 2011
19810 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

2. Left behind schools, strapped for cash, will start cutting non-rev sports (vis a vis, their own football programs hopefully)

This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 2:03 pm
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
2674 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 2:17 pm to
Do it. The sooner the better.

For two long weave tried to be sort of professional but also sort of amateur… sort of like the NFL, but also traditional.

This half in half out model is destroying the sport.

Just model it after the NFL and be done with it.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31252 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 2:21 pm to
quote:


This stuff with Tennessee and trying to allow boosters to enable pay to play will be a disaster with or without the NCAA. The idea groups of people/organizations can't form together and follow a set of rules in order to create a product and something of value is ridiculous. If you want professional football, go watch the NFL.
I just don't think there will ever be enough "buy-in" from people and organizations to form a set of rules that all parties will agree to follow in order to produce a valuable product.

There will always be conflict, and interpretation of language & meaning in any rules they try to create. Then the penalty phase when certain rules are broken will be a fiasco.

The NCAA is made up of member institutions, and all we see are members of the organization suing the very organization they comprise.
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
1133 posts
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

If you want professional football, go watch the NFL.


This take just denies what has been plainly evident for years, …even decades,……big time college football is a professional business. It is ridiculous to think this multi-billion dollar enterprise is an “amateur” sport. However, that is the narrative that so many people have sought to maintain in spite of the hundreds of millions of dollars each major institution pours into their football programs. The destabilization that is occurring now is partly a result of these many years of this type of denial that so many people have preached.
Posted by Arkyologist
Appalachia
Member since Feb 2023
354 posts
Posted on 3/1/24 at 12:32 pm to
Glad you don’t make the rules. You just punted your best basketball school, your best academic school and the best track and field school
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 12:37 pm
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