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re: "The SEC is so much harder than the Big 12"

Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:55 am to
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:55 am to
Lol you mean the aggies that went 6-6 in the Big 12 and then immediately dominated by going 11-2 their first year?
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53091 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:56 am to
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Lol you mean the aggies that went 6-6 in the Big 12 and then immediately dominated by going 11-2 their first year?

They probably make the natty if they were still in the Big 12, instead they didn't even win their division.
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:58 am to
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They probably make the natty if they were still in the Big 12
Right, just like they competed for natties in each of the 12 prior years where they won 10 games in the big 12 a total of zero times
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
4022 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 9:59 am to
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How do these results imply that the SEC is so much harder than the Big 12?


Ags had a generational talent named Mike Evans who routinely beat double teams and single-handedly changed games. Don’t kid yourself. SEC’s harder.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53091 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:01 am to
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Right, just like they competed for natties in each of the 12 prior years where they won 10 games in the big 12 a total of zero times 


They caught lightning in a bottle, it was unfortunate for them that it was their first year in the SEC.

Thus, they didn't even win their division.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79026 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:07 am to
Ok, sport. That win over a really inept Bama team playing their worst football since 2010 should DEFINITELY guide your football logic henceforth. Baton Rouge, Athens, Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Knoxville and Auburn are definitely no more difficult than Big 12 venues. Nothing to see here. Let me be the first to congratulate you on all the SEC cupcake wins ahead and the many championships you will casually stroll to.
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
530 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:10 am to
....and A&M was your sample?

Umkay.

I love stats. They ALWAYS tell the whole story. Especially cherry-picked ones.
Posted by SadUCFKnight
Member since Jun 2008
2623 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:11 am to
I’ll answer. It’s easier than the Big 12.
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:12 am to
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Ok, sport. That win over a really inept Bama team playing their worst football since 2010 should DEFINITELY guide your football logic henceforth
Lol here we go It doesn't count because Alabama "didn't want to be there" or "wasn't ready yet"

If anything, I'm glad Texas will finally be able to use these staple SEC excuses once they join the league
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Baton Rouge, Athens, Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Knoxville and Auburn are definitely no more difficult than Big 12 venues
Just like Tuscaloosa, right?
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
8532 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:14 am to
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These Texas fans sound just like the Aggies when they first came into the conference.

Tough lessons will have to be learned.

I asked the question. This isn't about how Texas will do. If we are good, I expect to win a lot of games regardless of the league we are in. If we suck, I expect to lose a lot of games regardless of the league we are in.

I also said that I believe A&M is probably better than they were in the Big 12, which has allowed them to compete better vs the SEC.. but why wouldn't that also be true for any new teams coming in?

Bottom line, no one here understands the question I am asking.. so I guess we will just have to play it out.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79026 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:17 am to
It was a good win. I was pulling for Texas and happy for you. But don’t pretend that Alabama team you beat didn’t morph into a MUCH tougher team as the season progressed. And still it was their worst team in 15 years.

Of course the last time you played LSU Joe Burrow, Chase and Jefferson held a track meet in your stadium. And scored 49 on your conference champion OU in the FIRST HALF.

You’ll find out soon enough.Bring your crying towel.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53091 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:20 am to
I mean Texas had the luxury of putting all their energy into beating Alabama and Oklahoma.

Look at your schedule:

Rice
@Alabama
Wyoming
@Baylor
Kansas
Oklahoma
@Houston
BYU
Kansas State
@TCU
@Iowa State
Texas Tech

You don't seem to understand that you won't be able to coast through large portions of your schedule like you currently do.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48571 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:25 am to
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"The SEC is so much harder than the Big 12"


That's what she said
Posted by BevoBucks
H-town
Member since Dec 2022
4022 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:25 am to
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You don't seem to understand that you won't be able to coast through large portions of your schedule like you currently do.


You forget the SEC already favors us and will do whatever it can to make sure we have an easy path to the playoffs every year.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 10:27 am
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53091 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:27 am to


Your schedule next year admittedly doesn't look too bad.
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:28 am to
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I mean Texas had the luxury of putting all their energy into beating Alabama and Oklahoma.

Look at your schedule:

Rice
@Alabama
Wyoming
@Baylor
Kansas
Oklahoma
@Houston
BYU
Kansas State
@TCU
@Iowa State
Texas Tech

You don't seem to understand that you won't be able to coast through large portions of your schedule like you currently do.
Funny you say that. That exact schedule was actually ranked higher than LSU's schedule in terms of difficulty
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:30 am to
Arkansas
Posted by Shea Vinnerbush
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2023
2162 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:30 am to
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But don’t pretend that Alabama team you beat didn’t morph into a MUCH tougher team as the season progressed. And still it was their worst team in 15 years.
The Alabama team that went 12-2 and won the SEC this season was worse than the 2022 and 2019 teams that didn't even make the playoffs? Lol interesting
quote:

Of course the last time you played LSU Joe Burrow, Chase and Jefferson held a track meet in your stadium.
And Texas also scored on every single drive in the second half against the single greatest LSU team ever. Guess that "SEC defense" isn't what everybody says it is
quote:

You’ll find out soon enough.Bring your crying towel.
Lol I will probably need it for the tears of laughter after seeing everybody whine about "muh SEC GRIND!!!"
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
8532 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:30 am to
At the end of the day, there are only two teams that can actually discuss the differences between the two leagues.

Texas A&M
Missouri

A&M knew how hard it was to play in Lubbock or Stillwater.
A&M knows how hard it is to play in Starkville or Auburn.

Both are hard. Oregon found that out this year vs Texas Tech.

A good example is LSU vs Arkansas. I have seen many LSU fans say that it doesn't matter how good Arkansas is each year, they always give LSU a good game.

Texas vs Texas A&M will be a dogfight each year regardless of record. Texas vs Arkansas will be the same.

I personally believe the SEC is a better league, and because of this fact, Texas will have to get better in order to compete each week. Iron sharpens iron.

Therefore, we will be better prepared to compete in the playoffs if & when we ever make it. This is the answer I was looking for..
Posted by 0jersey
Paradise
Member since Sep 2006
1848 posts
Posted on 1/10/24 at 10:31 am to
I will try and answer what I think you are asking (although hard to tell if your question was a troll).

Essentially, overall A&M performance in the SEC tracks with their performance in the Big 12 because they essentially upgraded their overall talent. That talent upgrade, however, was not substantial enough combined with coaching to actually win anything of substance.

Texas can expect a similar overall experience as they had in the big 12, which is not that amazing. TX should be able to hit the ground running due to upgraded roster management and talent with a solid coach familiar with inner workings of high caliber SEC team makeup (Bama).

The new difficulty for TX will be loss of divisions not leading to easier divisional titles ala Mizzou when they joined. That said, the 12 team Playoff will almost guarantee 3 SEC teams in playoff.

It’s going to be hard to predict how this new era w the new conferences and playoff w NIL evolves. I mean look at bottom dweller Ole Miss right now.

I will say the major issue with “difficulty” in sec schedule is that individual games will be harder fought on average than you may be used to. The league is overall more physical on a weekly basis and there will be years where a couple of teams have to go through a murderer’s row stretch. Injuries and limited action of top players is more common than not as well, hence the need for strong depth.

In short, you can expect TX to come in and win the SEC about as often as you have won the Big 12 and made the 4 team playoff. It will happen, but not often.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 10:34 am
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