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Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:00 am to Sandkhan
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:00 am to Sandkhan
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Hes never going to be Tua where he gets to his 4th read in less than 2 seconds.
Tua made like 90% of his reads pre-snap. It's how Clemson baited him in the national title game.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:12 am to Crimson Wraith
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I expect a QB to be able to read defenses and complete basic passes.
Is that too much to expect?
Don't be ridiculous. Running pretty fast in a straight line is what makes a QB great.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:28 am to RollTide33
We’re talking about 2 different things. You can have pre snap reads based off of what the defense is showing you and then you go through your progressions post snap based off of what the defense actually does.
Clemson baited him by stealing signs and our offensive coordinator failing to switch things up.
Clemson baited him by stealing signs and our offensive coordinator failing to switch things up.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:31 am to Night Vision
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BAMA points vs the barn. We all know how we got the 7 in the 4th.
1st Qtr - 7
2nd Qtr - 10
3rd Qtr - 3
4th Qtr - 7
Not exactly lighting it up. 6/16 on 3rd down. Had to convert two times on 4th down.
We had almost 5 1/2 more in TOP and 114 more yds.
We were +3 in turnovers and still barely won the game against a crap barn team.
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And how many boneheaded plays that almost lost us the game? Thats the problem with Jalen. He doesnt do the easy stuff well. His success is usually dependent on making an incredible play. But just keeping the offense on schedule and perfectly executing simple playcalls is so difficult for him. Footwork, just bad. Not to mention having a lot of trouble reading a defense even pre snap. If you cant do that stuff, you have very little chance of doing the high level QB stuff. Has JM ever read a blitz and made the defense pay for it? Im asking about arms or legs? Does anyone have a stat for how long he usually holds onto the ball? But he is big, fast, and strong AF.
Which is why I said he played well "most of the game." 16/24 259 yards 2 TDs passing, 18 rushes for 107 yards in the Iron Bowl by any measure is a good performance. Those aren't imaginary stats. I was responding to the dude that said "you aren't serious people." You can't place the lack of offensive production in that game all on Milroe's feet, there are 10 other guys out there.
But yes, he did make some bone-headed plays. He was inconsistent last season and struggled with decision making, and he has a lot of room for improvement. I've never argued otherwise.
This is a bloodied, beaten horse.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:34 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:39 am to Night Vision
quote:And Milroe gets all of the blame? What about the center whose inerrant snap caused the 4th and 31? What about the D who was gashed for 244 on the ground by a one-dimensional offense? Or another clutch miss by Reichard that made a TD necessary, otherwise a FG would have won the game late.
BAMA points vs the barn. We all know how we got the 7 in the 4th.
1st Qtr - 7
2nd Qtr - 10
3rd Qtr - 3
4th Qtr - 7
Not exactly lighting it up. 6/16 on 3rd down. Had to convert two times on 4th down.
We had almost 5 1/2 more in TOP and 114 more yds.
We were +3 in turnovers and still barely won the game against a crap barn team.
But nah, let's blame Milroe who had 366 yards of total offense, more than the entire AU team, and no turnovers. But some in the fan base would not give Milroe credit if he won the Heisman. Even one of the great plays in Alabama's history - the focus is on JM being blamed for Alabama being in position to need his heroics.
It's sickening.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:41 am to Funky Tide 8
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you aren't serious people.
If you say anything short of “Jalen Milroe is the worst QB to ever play D-1 football” you get called out for being “unreasonable”
90% of the board realizes he kinda sucks so I’m not sure why people have to make shite up like that he fumbles a lot or isn’t a running threat. In January he was a lockerroom cancer only looking out for #1 despite all evidence being to the contrary
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:43 am to Glorious
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If you say anything short of “Jalen Milroe is the worst QB to ever play D-1 football” you get called out for being “unreasonable”
Way more sunshine pumpers in his corner than anything else.
They aren't hard to spot.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:45 am to Night Vision
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Way more sunshine pumpers in his corner than anything else.
I feel like I’m one of the biggest Milroe-stans on the board and the best I can muster is “he’s kinda good sometimes”
My #1 hope for the position this year is that someone beats him out because that indicates that that person had a great offseason
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:48 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:50 am to Glorious
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90% of the board realizes he kinda sucks so I’m not sure why people have to make shite up like that he fumbles a lot or isn’t a running threat. In January he was a lockerroom cancer only looking out for #1 despite all evidence being to the contrary
I mean these people made up and push an imaginary narrative about the team forcing Saban's hand and revolting if he didn't start last season.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:50 am to Glorious
Projects at QB are meant to be improved off the field before they play, not by OJT on the field as the starter when the season is on the line.
It would be different if the starter got hurt and you had to play them. Nothing you can do about that.
We haven't been on reduced schollies since 2007. No way we should have ever had an OJT player starting at QB, and CNS did it several times.
It would be different if the starter got hurt and you had to play them. Nothing you can do about that.
We haven't been on reduced schollies since 2007. No way we should have ever had an OJT player starting at QB, and CNS did it several times.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:52 am to Funky Tide 8
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an imaginary narrative about the team forcing Saban's hand and revolting if he didn't start last season.
Saban was the one that always said the QB had to "win the team."
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:52 am to Glorious
quote:he was at times great. His problem is processing speed. He has the tools physically. He had zero development from O'Brien and very little from rees, who clearly didn't know what to do with a QB like that. Coaching deserves massive blame here. Let's see if the slow processing gets better with competent coaching, it is is just who he is as a player. If it can click for him the sky is the limit. He has that clutch gene and crazy ability, just needs to do the easy things right and some better feel for what's going on
feel like I’m one of the biggest Milroe-stans on the board and the best I can muster is “he’s kinda good sometimes”
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:53 am to Night Vision
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No way we should have ever had an OJT player starting at QB, and CNS did it several times.
we must have lost a lot of games, never won SEC championships, or made the playoffs due to that. Hard times.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:55 am to Funky Tide 8
We should have several more natties than we do.
We also got lucky in 2017 after Saban crapped the bed by playing Hurts vs the barn and losing with Tua on the bench.
We barely beat MSU that year with Hurts as well. We could have been left out of the playoffs that year if one less team ahead of us loses late.
We also got lucky in 2017 after Saban crapped the bed by playing Hurts vs the barn and losing with Tua on the bench.
We barely beat MSU that year with Hurts as well. We could have been left out of the playoffs that year if one less team ahead of us loses late.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:56 am to Night Vision
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Projects at QB are meant to be improved off the field before they play, not by OJT on the field as the starter when the season is on the line.
If he’s the best guy on the roster he does
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:57 am to Glorious
How did we get to a point where an OJT QB was the best on the roster?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:58 am to Night Vision
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How did we get to a point where an OJT QB was the best on the roster?
Because Lonergan and Simpson got beat out by a guy that’s now a lacrosse player at Notre Dame
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:59 am to Night Vision
It all came out pretty even. We lost several we could’ve won and won several we could’ve lost/been left out of.
The greatness of Saban is he always had us close enough to the top that if we got in we were usually in a good place to win it.
The greatness of Saban is he always had us close enough to the top that if we got in we were usually in a good place to win it.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:59 am to narddogg81
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Let's see if the slow processing gets better with competent coaching
It’s definitely possible, I know your mom’s processing got better with competent coaching.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:00 pm to narddogg81
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he was at times great. His problem is processing speed
And pocket presence, layering throws, short and intermediate passing etc.
There are a LOT of valid criticisms of the guy don’t get me wrong
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