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ESPN monopoly power: “You’ll take 720p broadcasts and like it.”
Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted this as a reply in another thread, but wanted to vent in a dedicated topic.
Q: Why does ESPN still broadcast games in 720p when other platforms are moving into 4K?
A: Because they can.
ETA: It seems any expectation that 4K will be an option anytime soon is unrealistic. See my post on page 3. That being said, the product still looks subpar on an 82" QLED on YouTube TV, IMHO.
Q: Why does ESPN still broadcast games in 720p when other platforms are moving into 4K?
A: Because they can.
ETA: It seems any expectation that 4K will be an option anytime soon is unrealistic. See my post on page 3. That being said, the product still looks subpar on an 82" QLED on YouTube TV, IMHO.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 2:21 pm
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Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:09 pm to Ag Zwin
I've had 4k TVs for what feels like a decade at this point and they still can't showcase a fricking football game in high res.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:10 pm to Ag Zwin
Disney is in a death spiral. Literally nothing they have their tendrils in is a good product right now.
This post was edited on 8/28/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:21 pm to Ag Zwin
I read somewhere that each camera is roughly $350k to setup to broadcast 4k. Take that times the amount of cameras for each game and I see why.
The numbers could be way off as I just heard that off hand
The numbers could be way off as I just heard that off hand
Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:25 pm to Ag Zwin
not to split hairs, but most, if not all, broadcasts are in 1080i.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 2:36 pm to Ag Zwin
Fox football broadcasting video quality, announcers, coverage >>> BSPN
Posted on 8/28/23 at 3:10 pm to Ag Zwin
I guess it’s because when I was a kid only 3-4 of your games in any given season were actually televised, and you had to adjust your rabbit ears and hold your mouth just right to see those, that I’m fine with 720p. I don’t need to see the plaque on their teeth or whatever.
Tooth if it’s an Alabama game, I guess.
Tooth if it’s an Alabama game, I guess.
This post was edited on 8/28/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 8/28/23 at 6:41 pm to Ag Zwin
Holy shite other places are going 4k? How do I get these broadcasts?
Posted on 8/28/23 at 7:09 pm to Ag Zwin
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when other platforms are moving into 4K?
Name these platforms? Fox was broadcasting one game a week last year in 4k. That's it.
Which stated earlier in the thread is upscaled 1080p. Which is still 4x better than typical broadcast 1080i content.
This post was edited on 8/28/23 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 8/28/23 at 8:01 pm to Ag Zwin
TV Answer Man
Some highlights:
1. Despite what people have said, no most people couldn't actually watch in 4k.
2.
So once again, despite what people have said. Lots of costs and it's not just "cameras" it's infrastructure.
4k video takes up over 20 times the storage space as 720p video
3. The actual camera work and post production are different enough that you can't just easily move people from regular HD to 4k devices.
Some highlights:
1. Despite what people have said, no most people couldn't actually watch in 4k.
2.
quote:
Producing and broadcasting live sports in 4K is considerably more expensive than in traditional HD. To broadcast in 4K, TV networks need to invest in new equipment and technology, hire specialized personnel, and purchase expensive licenses.
So once again, despite what people have said. Lots of costs and it's not just "cameras" it's infrastructure.
4k video takes up over 20 times the storage space as 720p video
3. The actual camera work and post production are different enough that you can't just easily move people from regular HD to 4k devices.
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:19 am to Ag Zwin
Said this in the other thread…
ESPN converts End to End 4K
4K answer man fox vs ESPN 4k
quote:
Fox films at 1080p and upscales to 4K but uses HDR. ESPN films and broadcasts at 4K but doesn’t use HDR. Not all broadcasts by either company are in 4k. In addition only certain providers have the rights to provide a 4K broadcast to their customers. On the streaming side, YouTubeTV and Fubo are the ones to get for 4K.
ESPN converts End to End 4K
4K answer man fox vs ESPN 4k
Posted on 8/29/23 at 11:21 am to Ag Zwin
quote:
Q: Why does ESPN still broadcast games in 720p when other platforms are moving into 4K?
A: Because we are focused on politics and not sports.
fify
Posted on 8/29/23 at 1:41 pm to Ag Zwin
Took myself down a rabbit hole and found this article. Probably the most I have understood the problem.
I live in a small city (~100K) that thinks it's more significant than it is, and I spend a lot of time in areas of small towns. It's easy to get the impression that life in bigger cities is a world where technology is passing us by here.
As with so much I learn in listening to the Freakonomics pocast, the issue is economics, but not necessarily that people are being cheap or shortsighted.
Seems like I need to tap the brakes on my expectations for a while.
Digital Trends: Why aren’t sports in 4K and HDR? It’s harder than you think
I live in a small city (~100K) that thinks it's more significant than it is, and I spend a lot of time in areas of small towns. It's easy to get the impression that life in bigger cities is a world where technology is passing us by here.
As with so much I learn in listening to the Freakonomics pocast, the issue is economics, but not necessarily that people are being cheap or shortsighted.
Seems like I need to tap the brakes on my expectations for a while.
Digital Trends: Why aren’t sports in 4K and HDR? It’s harder than you think
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You’re not going to not watch their sports broadcasts because they aren’t in 4K, are you? And even if broadcasters did want to foot the bill, they don’t have a way to recoup their expenses. It’s not as if they can charge a higher premium for ads just because they upped the video quality.
But also, broadcasters don’t use their own production trucks. They rent them. So, take the onus for investing billions and put it on a third party with no guarantee they’d recoup their costs. Doesn’t sound likely, does it?
Posted on 8/29/23 at 2:54 pm to Ag Zwin
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A: Because they can.
No, it's because Disney has no cash and can't afford to buy anything.
ETA: And those morons re-hired the CEO who got them into this situation.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/23 at 7:05 am to Ag Zwin
Update:
Texas at Alabama is on ESPN 4K tonight.
Texas at Alabama is on ESPN 4K tonight.
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