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Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:06 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:06 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
Put Caleb Williams on last years OU team and you can probably swap records with USC.
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Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:10 pm to bogart
That sucks and isn’t surprising based on his body of work. I’d be mad if I was a fan of his program bc it isn’t like he can’t bring in talent that could succeed under good coaching. S&C has become so much more important(in addition to needing to check the other boxes that you mentioned).
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:28 pm to Iron Balls McGinty
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Good question. BV has 3 NC rings to LiaR's 0.
BV is 2-5 calling the defense in NC games. 1 of the 2 wins he was given a lead with 4 minutes to play and gave it up in approximately 2 minutes, only won when the offense drove down and scored on the last play of the game.
His best game was holding Bama to 16. His worst was giving up 55 to SC.
Riley is one of the best, if not best, play callers in CFB. Venables is a very good defensive coach who won with great defensive lines and teams led by Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:28 pm to Drydock
This off season move (and non move) tells you all you need to know about his defense:
“Lincoln Riley brought in Kliff Kingsbury for whatever reason, when Gary Patterson and Bo Pelini are available.”
CW makes LR. Once he leaves this year he has to replace him heading into B10. CW will be drafted #1. But to give up 28 to a G5 team who ranked close to bottom in offense last year is telling. Game only opened up in 2nd half after SJS got tired with no depth.
“Lincoln Riley brought in Kliff Kingsbury for whatever reason, when Gary Patterson and Bo Pelini are available.”
CW makes LR. Once he leaves this year he has to replace him heading into B10. CW will be drafted #1. But to give up 28 to a G5 team who ranked close to bottom in offense last year is telling. Game only opened up in 2nd half after SJS got tired with no depth.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:34 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Yeah he won't have an answer. He's just talking out of his arse.
BV has 0 NCs as a head coach, which is relevant here.
Riley is arguably the best offensive coach in the game, Venables is not the best defensive coach, and I don’t think anyone would even consider this to be the case since his peak years at Clemson.
What about BV makes you think he’s going to have top 4 teams nationally while competing in the SEC? Certainly not his first season. Not looking like this year is going to meet OU’s standards either. 2024 and all of a sudden your biggest competition isn’t dick tripping Texas anymore…
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:36 pm to OU Guy
Getting Gary Patterson would’ve been brilliant. Bringing in Pelini would’ve been laughable. CW will leave and Riley will continue to win with offense with his next QB.
SJS scored 27 a game last year. SC will be just like OU under Riley as long as he keeps his defensive and S&C staff. Out score most teams and win hope to catch lightening in the playoff. But at SC the resources are there for all the defensive talent he could hope to get.
SJS scored 27 a game last year. SC will be just like OU under Riley as long as he keeps his defensive and S&C staff. Out score most teams and win hope to catch lightening in the playoff. But at SC the resources are there for all the defensive talent he could hope to get.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:37 pm to Drydock
Left Oklahoma, turned down LSU
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:38 pm to Drydock
NostradumbassLSUStephan17 said Riley would win multiple championships at Lsu.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:38 pm to Cocotheape
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BV has 0 NCs as a head coach, which is relevant here.
Riley is arguably the best offensive coach in the game, Venables is not the best defensive coach, and I don’t think anyone would even consider this to be the case since his peak years at Clemson.
What about BV makes you think he’s going to have top 4 teams nationally while competing in the SEC? Certainly not his first season. Not looking like this year is going to meet OU’s standards either. 2024 and all of a sudden your biggest competition isn’t dick tripping Texas anymore…
Besides Caleb, tell me all the great qbs LR recruited and developed.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:42 pm to OU Guy
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Besides Caleb, tell me all the great qbs LR recruited and developed.
I don’t have to, you already know.
Is BV going to win 86% of his games?
That 2015-19 Clemson shine will only last so long…
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:42 pm to Drydock
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The Don Coryel of College Football?
He's not a builder of programs. He's perfect for USC - right up until he leaves USC for the next thing. He's fools gold.
Again, perfect for USC. Right up until he leaves. Absolutely perfect for LA.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:49 pm to ScoggDog
Lincoln Riley is a front runner
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:49 pm to OU Guy
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Besides Caleb, tell me all the great qbs LR recruited and developed.
This is laughable. Two short spread QBs were picked #1 overall under Riley’s coaching and Hurts came to OU lacking as a passer and turned into a surprising 2nd round pick.
Riley doesn’t even need to hit on HS recruits. The portal is there for him, too. He’s developed and put up numbers with every QB he’s had and there’s no reason to think that’ll change.
OU didn’t have a two guys in the QB room last year that could throw a forward pass. That’s inexcusable in today’s game.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:52 pm to Cocotheape
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BV has 0 NCs as a head coach, which is relevant here.
Well he's never been a head coach, genius. That's "relevant here" too....
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Riley is arguably the best offensive coach in the game, Venables is not the best defensive coach, and I don’t think anyone would even consider this to be the case since his peak years at Clemson.
Kiffin is the best offensive mind in the game. Riley's offense has never done shite against a top 5 team.
Venables was widely considered the top DC in the nation at Clemson for many years.
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What about BV makes you think he’s going to have top 4 teams nationally while competing in the SEC? Certainly not his first season. Not looking like this year is going to meet OU’s standards either. 2024 and all of a sudden your biggest competition isn’t dick tripping Texas anymore…
Kirby Smart's first season was a lot like Venable's. Bob's wasn't much better when he arrived in '99 and he had never been a HC either.
Guess we should just pack it in and dissolve the program because you have unfounded doubts about our coach that aren't based on anything substantive.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 3:54 pm to Dubosed
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Lincoln Riley is a front runner
Yep. He's Bobby Petrino with better behavior. He's not a builder. Building is hard.
I think Oklahoma dodged a bullet. I seriously do. And good for them. That's a fanbase that supports not only their team, but high school ball as well, and deserves better.
Maybe Lincoln will evolve into a Lane Kiffen. I actually think Ole Miss has a gem there. But you have to catch a guy like that at the right time, for him, after he flames out a couple times and humbles himself. I'm not a buyer of stock in Lincoln Riley.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:04 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Guess we should just pack it in and dissolve the program because you have unfounded doubts about our coach that aren't based on anything substantive.
You have unfounded hope based on nothing substantive. Comparing to Kirby is a waste of time, he’s not as good of a coach as Kirby and the state of Oklahoma doesn’t produce the talent Georgia does.
BV was considered one of the best DCs in the nation, 5+ years ago. That’s great. Notice that the shine started to wear off of the whole Clemson operation the last few years?
I doubt that many share your opinion on Kiffin > Riley, doesn’t really matter though, one coaches at a school with 0 shot of winning their conference and the other coaches at a blue blood.
Bottom line, what’s the most realistic outcome:
- BV is the second coming of Saban & Kirby, wins multiple championships in the toughest conference
-BV is a tier below but fields a consistent top 5 team, winning around 80%+ of his games.
-something worse than the two above?
Basically you’re banking on BV being an all time great coach, in one of scenarios 1 or 2 above. Most coaching hires aren’t that, we will see if OU can defy the odds and essentially make 3 excellent hires in a row (with the caveat that those last two excellent hires weren’t meeting OU’s standards for the last 15 years or so)
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:09 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Well he's never been a head coach, genius. That's "relevant here" too....
You think pointing out one guy was handed the reins of a top 5 team after approximately 7 years as an OC, with only 3 in Power 5 conference and one was a career assistant for 25 years helps your position?
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Kiffin is the best offensive mind in the game. Riley's offense has never done shite against a top 5 team. Venables was widely considered the top DC in the nation at Clemson for many years.
Some people will argue Kiffin is better. Not the majority, but some. Venables was great at Clemson, but Saban is by default the better defensive coach, just with a nicer title than DC. Same with Gary Patterson. Same with Kirby. Brent is behind those guys and Gary isn’t even really in the game.
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Bob's wasn't much better when he arrived in '99 and he had never been a HC either.
Comparing the shite team that Brent put on the field in any way to what Bob did in his first year is one of the least informed statements I’ve seen about OU football.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:25 pm to Boomer Sooner 1890
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You think pointing out one guy was handed the reins of a top 5 team after approximately 7 years as an OC, with only 3 in Power 5 conference and one was a career assistant for 25 years helps your position?
What?
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Some people will argue Kiffin is better. Not the majority, but some. Venables was great at Clemson, but Saban is by default the better defensive coach, just with a nicer title than DC. Same with Gary Patterson. Same with Kirby. Brent is behind those guys and Gary isn’t even really in the game.
Hahahaha.....like I said, Venables was WIDELY considered the top defensive mind in college football for many years at Clemson. Brent isn't behind Saban or Kirby Smart in terms of a defensive mind at all.
Gary Patterson hasn't had a top defense in at least 7 years.
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Comparing the shite team that Brent put on the field in any way to what Bob did in his first year is one of the least informed statements I’ve seen about OU football.
I was there in 99, fella. Bob had one more season victory than Brent did his first year. Our defense wasn't shite and our offense was just decent.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:30 pm to OU Guy
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This off season move (and non move) tells you all you need to know about his defense:
“Lincoln Riley brought in Kliff Kingsbury for whatever reason, when Gary Patterson and Bo Pelini are available.”
I fail to see how having Coach Shades on the cheap as an offensive analyst is a problem.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:32 pm to Drydock
Several similar posts. I was telling my friend they have talent but they don’t have that ‘it’ factor. By it factor I mean that they have a scare factor and you worry about playing against them. I’m not saying Texas would beat them or even a certain percentage of time but I’d sure as hell play them versus almost any of the top tier teams from the SEC, B1G, ACC…Maybe it’s lack of physicality, lack of discipline, football IQ, or some kind of combination of that but that’s what I see with this team.
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