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re: Should NCAA reinstate the 1-yr Sit Out on Transfers?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:18 am to jonnyanony
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:18 am to jonnyanony
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There's no way to limit this so throw that idea out the windows
What about pro-rating NIL?
Most good players leave after their Junior year. Player gets a 9M NIL deal, 1M,3M,5M payments progressively per year. You leave the program early and the NIL deal ends.
This way the player still gets "paid" but not up front and only for "time served".
(I'm making the assumption NIL deal is a one time, up front payment)
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:29 am to AggieHank86
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The school made a long-term decision to give that kid a scholarship, rather than another kid. The school should get something in return.
It isn't about that.
The schools aren't owed something in return.
But if there isn't some decelerator applied to transfers, coaches are going to leave. It is literally too much to recruit highschoolers and your own team at the same time.
It is in the best interest for the future of the sport to slow down the portal.
The kids aren't chattel. They shouldn't be locked to a team. But it is equally ridiculous that transfer movement should equate to immediate playing time (the argument extended further for... why can't they transfer for immediate playing time in October, November, or December? Why are we robbing the kids their opportunity? /s)
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:34 am to Hobnailboot
"All of them sit a year. No exceptions. Problem solved."
Also bring back the rule that all Freshmen must sit out their first year... they can still practice with the team but can't play in any games! They would still have four years plus a red shirt year of eligibility left!! This rule worked very well FOR 50 + years!
Also bring back the rule that all Freshmen must sit out their first year... they can still practice with the team but can't play in any games! They would still have four years plus a red shirt year of eligibility left!! This rule worked very well FOR 50 + years!
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:59 am to luvthablues
College Football is so f’ed.
Fans aren’t going to stay loyal to a new team of players every year.
The spirit of college sports will fade. May take 10-20 years but it’s coming.
Fans aren’t going to stay loyal to a new team of players every year.
The spirit of college sports will fade. May take 10-20 years but it’s coming.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:23 am to deeprig9
I personally think it should be as follows:
If you redshirt in year 1 only, you can transfer one time immediately following your freshman year without sitting.
---OR---
You can transfer one time upon completion of your associates degree (year two usually) without sitting out.
---ALSO---
You can transfer one ADDITIONAL time upon completion of your bachelors degree without sitting out.
Any transfers not following these rules are not eligible for immediate eligibility for the following football season.
If you redshirt in year 1 only, you can transfer one time immediately following your freshman year without sitting.
---OR---
You can transfer one time upon completion of your associates degree (year two usually) without sitting out.
---ALSO---
You can transfer one ADDITIONAL time upon completion of your bachelors degree without sitting out.
Any transfers not following these rules are not eligible for immediate eligibility for the following football season.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:01 am to BigScoreboard
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On the second non-grad transfer, you sit out one year.
Only until someone challenges it in court OR the NCAA reverses itself to prevent another scathing loss in court. The NCAA has zero authority to do anything other than promote a basketball tournament. There authority, such as it ever was, has been stripped by the courts and it ain't coming back because it only takes one school to not agree to comply and all will have to follow suit to compete.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:03 am to wm72
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I know this is a minority opinion but has the transfers and NIL really been quite as bad as some people make it out to be?
Seems the same teams are great, the same ones are decent, the same ones suck.
Now, if you wanted to create 6 or so conferences that made geographic and historical sense and ban any further changes that would really improve college sports for me.
It hasn't been as bad and in the case of transfers it seems to be leveling off somewhat. NIL will follow suit soon as companies realize they ain't getting anything for their buck.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:32 am to deeprig9
All NIL money is pooled at the conference level, split evenly among all athletes for that sport in that conference, and you can transfer any time for any reason with no sitting out.
Lets go ahead and accelerate this to where it will end up eventually instead of dragging it out.
Lets go ahead and accelerate this to where it will end up eventually instead of dragging it out.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:34 am to UT Beer Man
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These guys are on the clock as to when they can make money. Football and athletics in general are a young man's game.
Some of these kids are making more in college than they’ll ever make professionally. This argument lost its allure once NIL was approved. Don’t give a damn about their clock as much as I do about the sustainability of college football and keeping order
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:35 am to bulletprooftiger
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As long as athletic scholarships are for 1 year and only renewable at the team’s option, a player should not be bound to the program past that year.
The SEC and the rest of P5 has had fully guaranteed scholarships since the mid 2010s
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:38 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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NFL players go from one team to another and, somehow, that league survives.
If they get cut, sure. If not, no they don’t and can’t
Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:41 am to deeprig9
1 yr sit rule for any player who is not a graduate or a senior. I’m not burying a senior who can’t get in the field at one school when he can start at another.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:12 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
No, Hell no. They owe you nothing and no fan base should block. It's a reckoning and now you have to own it. I do not want any players who do not want to be at my school. Also if they compensated them early on, we wouldn't have this problem. Now everyone is upset because of the exodus of players. Too bad so sad. You want to hold them accountable for their actions when it's convenient for you to complain but if they do something bad, then it's their fault. Guess what, let them go where the heck they need to go. Coaches are going to have adapt better. that is life. get over it
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:24 am to deeprig9
I don't like that from a personal freedom standpoint. For future NFL guys declaring as a junior if they are good enough is the best financial decision, so you're costing someone 1/3rd of their potential tape/experience.
If you want to get a grip on the mercenaries in CFB, the NCAA needs to mandate that to join a collective that is directly affiliated with the university/Athletic Department you have to sign a contract that you are there for 4 years or 4+1 in the case of redshirt years, and if you break it then you can't get a NIL deal from the new school's collective for a year. I think this would win any potential challenges because they are only legislating what the actual school does. Private individuals/businesses doing NIL deals would still be fine, so you're not going to completely remove the issue, but it'll put a dent in it. And there could be a waiver system for hardship, but have it run by maybe compliance people from various schools/conferences or someone other than NCAA.
If you want to get a grip on the mercenaries in CFB, the NCAA needs to mandate that to join a collective that is directly affiliated with the university/Athletic Department you have to sign a contract that you are there for 4 years or 4+1 in the case of redshirt years, and if you break it then you can't get a NIL deal from the new school's collective for a year. I think this would win any potential challenges because they are only legislating what the actual school does. Private individuals/businesses doing NIL deals would still be fine, so you're not going to completely remove the issue, but it'll put a dent in it. And there could be a waiver system for hardship, but have it run by maybe compliance people from various schools/conferences or someone other than NCAA.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:25 am to UT Beer Man
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These guys are on the clock as to when they can make money.
Then they should have thought better about where they signed on the dotted line.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:44 am to Murph4HOF
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All NIL money is pooled at the conference level, split evenly among all athletes for that sport in that conference, and you can transfer any time for any reason with no sitting out.
Lets go ahead and accelerate this to where it will end up eventually instead of dragging it out.
Wont fly. There is nothing legal that can be done about me hiring a LSU offensive lineman to come be at my Kids birthday party for $100K paid directly to him for his services. The conference nor the school has anything to say or do about it. They can try to prevent it by not allowing that player to participate in whatever NIL collective is going on BUT that player will just go elsewhere.
Like it or not the only answer is to make them employees of the university and all that that implies. They would be subject to non-complete clauses (fast food workers are these days), they could be prevented legally from accepting money from any other employer IF there is a conflict of interest which could be any and all other employers beside the University during their time of employment at the school. The schools could agree to anything outside of set wages within a conference and, if the state is an at will work state the player would be subject to just about anything that their employer dreamed of to protect the interests of the employer.
There is another option and it is that they were employees of the NCAA and hired out for a specified period of time to a university in the same way an employee of a temp agency works and earns money. The NCAA would be the sole source of employees for the school (labor unions operate this way even in the most open of at will employment states) and the wages and benefits are the same for everyone and if an employee wants to hire outside of that system they are welcome to try BUT the wages and benefits would be such that only those schools who agree would be attractive. It works for labor unions in the building trades where employees are highly skilled. It would work in CFB but it would take a lot of convincing....
Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:51 am to labamafan
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1 yr sit rule for any player who is not a graduate or a senior. I’m not burying a senior who can’t get in the field at one school when he can start at another.
Courts won't allow it. There is no way for universities to agree to a set of rules which won't be collusion if someone challenges it in court. It is the free market doing what it does best. It is what conservative politics was, no more than 6 years ago, based on....free markets with little to no regulation outside of that which the natural forces of the market force.
There is no legal way that UGA and UF and LSU, for example, can agree that any players who transfer from one of the 3 to another of the 3 will have to sit out a year IF the player himself does not choose to sit out a year because he will simply transfer to another school without such rules. Those 3 schools would eventually have to decide to play by the same rules as everyone else or continue to attempt to be different. The NCAA can't impose any such rule because as soon as it does someone is going to challenge it and win. You cannot regulate the free market without legislation....thank goodness. Businesses cannot collude with one another to limit competition, thank goodness. If workers and small business are meant to figure out how to survive in a free market with little or no regulation why should college football be exempt?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:00 am to TrussvilleTide
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I don't like that from a personal freedom standpoint.
Do you feel like this for professional athletes? They have no freedom of movement unless they're free agents. They don't get to go to different team if a coach leaves or they aren't playing as much as they want to. College players can be paid now too, so what am I missing?
quote:NIL deals are not allowed to be pay for play so this won't work either.
Department you have to sign a contract that you are there for 4 years or 4+1 in the case of redshirt years, and if you break it then you can't get a NIL deal from the new school's collective for a year.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:02 am to AwgustaDawg
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Courts won't allow it.
Why not? The Courts have said nothing nor has the issue ever been raised regarding the legality of eligibility rules in NCAA sports. NIL and that are two completely different things.
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