Started By
Message
re: Harrison Hit
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:53 am to droliver
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:53 am to droliver
It's funny how the game of football survived for decades without the targeting penalty and I personally heard no one complaining. But that was back before very many involved with the sport contracted that debilitating disease; Chronic Testicular Atrofication with acute Fagometric Vaginosis. I think Harrison had a flair up of that last night.
1
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:55 am to captdalton
The fact is that those that reviewed the replay could see and you can too that he clearly made every effort to avoid using his head on that hit.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:04 pm to cattus
Definition of targeting from NCAA.
Based on that picture it would be hard for anyone to honestly argue that a couple of those things above did not occur. Whether it is a stupid rule is another question. But the rule above is the rule. It is way too subjective. But if you are going to call one, you need to call all. Or none at all.
And for the “he wasn’t a defenseless player”, here is the definition of what a defenseless player is. Notice number two on the list.
A player attempting to make a catch is considered defenseless. Again, not arguing it is a good rule or not.
But by definition, the hit on Harrison was targeting.
quote:
Note 1: "Targeting" means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indications of targeting include but are not limited to:
Launch-a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Based on that picture it would be hard for anyone to honestly argue that a couple of those things above did not occur. Whether it is a stupid rule is another question. But the rule above is the rule. It is way too subjective. But if you are going to call one, you need to call all. Or none at all.
And for the “he wasn’t a defenseless player”, here is the definition of what a defenseless player is. Notice number two on the list.
quote:
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass
A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier
A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return
A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier
A player on the ground
A player obviously out of the play
A player who receives a blind-side block A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped
A quarterback any time after a change of possession a ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet first"
A player attempting to make a catch is considered defenseless. Again, not arguing it is a good rule or not.
But by definition, the hit on Harrison was targeting.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:09 pm to UGA40
Pretty clear Georgia couldn’t stop him so they were trying to take him out. Some people consider that part of football.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:12 pm to UGA40
Does shoulder to shoulder cause concussions?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:12 pm to captdalton
More to it? The ref analyst on TV said "he WAS defenseless" but it was only close to the head and neck. Said he does NOT see targeting.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:14 pm to thelawnwranglers
quote:
Does shoulder to shoulder cause concussions?
It can. Jarring the brain inside the skull causes concussion. Quick movement of the head will do that.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:15 pm to Basura Blanco
quote:
I could care less if UGA ever wins another game and hope like hell they never win another one against LSU. Everything about that hit is what makes football great. It was a great recovery, the player led with his shoulder, he saw what he hit, it was violent, it was intimidating, it was clean, and it wouldve been a crime against the fabric of the game if it had been ruled illegal. Congrats on a great comeback win, good luck with TCU, and go frick yourself going into 2023.
The best post I’ve ever read on tRant - top notch! Happy New Year and go frick yourself, good sir!
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:27 pm to cattus
quote:
More to it? The ref analyst on TV said "he WAS defenseless" but it was only close to the head and neck. Said he does NOT see targeting.
Again, it is a subjective rule. But I would love to have him look at this picture and then explain how this is not leading with the crown of the helmet; and how that is not helmet to helmet contact. The DB spun Harrison’s head around with his helmet like Harrison had been possessed in the Exorcist.
I personally think they were afraid to make such as big call in such a big moment, and then being burned alive before they made it out of Georgia. But if you are going to call it in week 3, you need to call it in week 15. Or not at all.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:27 pm to Darindawg
quote:
It's funny how the game of football survived for decades without the targeting penalty and I personally heard no one complaining. But that was back before very many involved with the sport contracted that debilitating disease; Chronic Testicular Atrofication with acute Fagometric Vaginosis. I think Harrison had a flair up of that last night
Daryl Stingley
Dennis Byrd
Reggie Brown
Kevin Everett
Ryan Shazier
Eric Legrand
All paralyzed from either being the player lowering their head to make a hit or receiving a hit from a player targeting them (more common for the guy doing the hitting then the guy being hit).
There's a reason it's a penalty now.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:34 pm to DawginSC
Add Chucky Mullins to that list.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:39 pm to captdalton
quote:
how this is not leading with the crown of the helmet
Because the crown is the top of the helmet, not the side or shoulder.
quote:
how that is not helmet to helmet contact.
It is helmet to helmet... but contact between helmets after initial impact with a shoulder isn't a penalty. The impact was shoulder to shoulder. Due to the force their helmets did collide when Harrison's neck whipped toward the DB, but it wasn't leading with the helmet.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:46 pm to UGA40
if that was a drag route at the 50 it's targeting. it's in the end zone take no chances
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:47 pm to UGA40
Perfect hit.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:53 pm to DawginSC
People will see what they want to see. But that picture clearly shows he had his head down and was leading with the crown of his helmet. They were on a collision course at roughly a 45 degree angle, so of course he is also getting his shoulder into him. But before contact he lowered his head and launched. There was no attempt at all to wrap up or make a tackle. It was by the NCAA’s own definition targeting.
Lowered head and led with the crown of the helmet
Launched at opposing player
Made forcible contact with the receivers head/neck area
That is targeting under the current rule and definition. And that was the OP’s original question. Was the hit targeting? Not whether the rule is dumb or not. For the record, I think it was a good football play. But it was targeting in today’s world.
Lowered head and led with the crown of the helmet
Launched at opposing player
Made forcible contact with the receivers head/neck area
That is targeting under the current rule and definition. And that was the OP’s original question. Was the hit targeting? Not whether the rule is dumb or not. For the record, I think it was a good football play. But it was targeting in today’s world.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:54 pm to captdalton
quote:
But that picture clearly shows he had his head down and was leading with the crown of his helmet
No, it doesn't. It shows an impact on the side of his helmet... which happened because their shoulders hit first.
The crown is the top. Did you look at the picture you posted? He was moving along the back sideline toward Harrison and turned to hit with his shoulder.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:58 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 1/1/23 at 12:59 pm to nrz
quote:
shoulder to shoulder. the main issue is that stroud threw up a punt type pass and let his dude get laid out. kinda like when bryce young threw a poor pass and got williams acl torn.
Just making an objective comment here but UGA won both games the moment each of those two stud receivers got TKO’d from each game. I made the comment last night that you could almost hear the wind rush right out of the Bama and OSU sails the moment each left the games as each WR was gashing UGA until the injuries.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:05 pm to DawginSC
Do your research, a study by the NCAA showed that over about 5 years time since the targeting penalty was implemented, it only reduced the rate of "targeting-like" hits from .23 to only a whopping .21. so, has it really done any good?
In addition, another study showed that serious ankle and knee injuries has increased significantly, likely from players purposely trying to hit low to keep from getting a targeting call. Has the targeting penalty been worthy?
In addition, another study showed that serious ankle and knee injuries has increased significantly, likely from players purposely trying to hit low to keep from getting a targeting call. Has the targeting penalty been worthy?
Posted on 1/1/23 at 1:06 pm to Crimson1st
And yet UGA loses top guys as well and finds another. Sounds like another team issue
Page 6 of 9
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News