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re: Harrison Hit

Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by dehsloot
Sunshine State
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:03 pm to
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This is a great video of it.

Bullard's hit from upclose.


I don't believe it was targeting but someone using a still image as proof that the helmets never touched is hilarious.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27399 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

Harrison Hit
To the objective fans... what ya got, targeting or not?


frick no. It was a clean hit with shoulder. In fact, it was a fantastic play by the defender. IMO - it was a game saver.
Posted by Cut me Mick
Member since Dec 2022
155 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:05 pm to
targeting, and certainly not enough to overturn call on field.

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33023 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

don't believe it was targeting but someone using a still image as proof that the helmets never touched is hilarious.


You have an odd sense of humor
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:22 pm to
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Everyone here is telling you you're wrong.


No doubt; that is why this thread is 8 pages long.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93722 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:23 pm to
I agree on one thing. It's ridiculous to have a penalty where one person can look at it and think it's obviously not targeting and another can see it and think that it is obvious targeting.

I happen to think that's exactly what the rule intended and was a perfect big hit. Looks like exactly what they want the defender to do to me.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 4:25 pm
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:35 pm to
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certainly not enough to overturn call on field.


And this is very important I think. It was called targeting on the field. So no, I am not the only one to think it was targeting. At least one guy with a yellow flag thought it was too.

I am pretty certain to over turn a call on the field there has to be clear, unambiguous proof to reverse it. You can say “their helmet’s didn’t hit”. Or “he didn’t make contact to his head!” But the unconscious guy falling to the turf is proof something happened to his head. And it was initially called targeting.

The rule even says if there is a question about it, it is a foul. Just crazy. Bad rule and an inconsistently enforced rule.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:44 pm to
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I don't believe it was targeting but someone using a still image as proof that the helmets never touched is hilarious.


A very good video of the shoulder to shoulder contact is literally right below that image in the link.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 4:45 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33023 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:44 pm to
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am pretty certain to over turn a call on the field there has to be clear, unambiguous proof to reverse it.


But you are NOT 100% certain
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:57 pm to
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But you are NOT 100% certain


You make my point. You are not either based on the video.

It is all about interpretation of what launching is, and what forcible contact is to “the head/neck area”. My argument, and what I see, is he left his feet as he hit the guy, and he knocked him unconscious from helmet to helmet contact.

It was called targeting. This was not one of those after the fact, let’s review it and see if it was targeting reviews. It was called targeting on the field.

There is obviously NOT a consensus on what it was. Nor clear evidence on what it was. It is all interpretation. And by rule, in that case, the call on the field is supposed to stand.

But they weren’t going to make that call in such a high profile game.

Was it the right thing to do? Yeah. Was it by the rule book? No.

This isn’t a knock against Georgia. But since it was called targeting the call should have stood.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:02 pm to
The video replay from the sideline (although backline also shows this) CLEARLY shows the helmets actually NEVER met. Bullard ended up going over Harrison's back behind his helmet after he hit him shoulder to shoulder as Harrison fell.

His foot is also literally on the ground at the hit. Then again if there is anything the modern world has taught me is people will only believe what they want to believe.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 5:04 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33023 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:02 pm to
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But since it was called targeting the call should have stood.


I don’t think you understand how over turning reviews work or what targeting is
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:28 pm to
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His foot is also literally on the ground at the hit


You keep talking about his foot being on the ground. This is literally what the rule book says about that.

quote:

A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground


This thread has become about whether people like the targeting rule, not whether this actually was targeting as the rule is spelled out.

This is a bad rule, one that can take a player out of a game, based on a judgement call. I have seen MANY less violent, less obvious hits that did not knock the opposing player unconscious, or out of the game for a single play, called targeting and confirmed.

My final thoughts on this are that he knocked the guy unconscious on the hit. If getting knocked unconscious isn’t “forcible contact to the head and neck” I don’t know what is. Maybe beheading them with a sword? Harrison was limp as he hit the ground, so the whole “the ground caused it” are false. This is exactly the type of hit this rule was supposed to prevent. But it didn’t. And while it was initially enforced on the field, the powers that be reversed the call without clearcut evidence.
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
15354 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:29 pm to
If Ohio State really wanted to win they would say he got his bell rung and get him back in the game.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:46 pm to
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My final thoughts on this are that he knocked the guy unconscious on the hit. If getting knocked unconscious isn’t “forcible contact to the head and neck” I don’t know what is.


Well that part is obvious


Sincere question: did you ever play football?

I ask because you’re supposed to drop your butt/hips to make a tackle, putting you in a crouched position.


Also, he dropped his head—still didn’t lead with the crown—because your head is connected your shoulder. And he planted his shoulder right into Harrison’s.


ETA: and you can definitely get a concussion without any contact whatsoever to your head or neck. I’ve seen it hundreds of times in my line of work

This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 5:50 pm
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93722 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

My final thoughts on this are that he knocked the guy unconscious on the hit. If getting knocked unconscious isn’t “forcible contact to the head and neck” I don’t know what is.

Do you seriously think that someone HAS to get hit in the head to get a concussion??
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 5:52 pm to
It was clearly shoulder to shoulder and contact helmet to helmet, if any, was incidental. I am sure the cumulative effect of a violent hit shoulder to shoulder, the subsequent whiplash, incidental helmet to helmet contact, and his head hitting turf caused a concussion. If we want to mitigate the concussion risk to zero, let’s just play two hand touch in bubble wrap. A concussion is not evidence of targeting. That’s commie thinking.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 6:06 pm to
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did you ever play football?


Yes. Little League, Junior high and 6A Alabama high school ball. LB/G and then as a junior moved to TE because they realized I could catch the ball.. And I broke my leg coming down with a ball that season. Compound fracture; both bones in my lower leg. Bone came through my sock and shoe. That was the end of my football career. My leg is still not 100% right now.

But I was not nearly good enough to play college ball anyway. But I did play with a couple and against many incredibly gifted athletes.

When I played in the 90s the wedge was still legal on kickoffs. My sophomore year, I was the wedge buster. Until I got knocked unconscious and my face mask got broken off. That is why I think I had to sit out the rest of the game, the face mask, not the concussion. So I can commiserate with getting knocked out.

Times have changed now though.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/1/23 at 6:51 pm to
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and you can definitely get a concussion without any contact whatsoever to your head or neck. I’ve seen it hundreds of times in my line of work


No doubt. But something has to make the brain bang around inside the skull like a pinball. A car wreck is the normal cause.

I would argue that the hit is what caused the concussion in this case. I do not think it was a case of Immaculate Concussion. That hit knocked him unconscious. Consider it a car wreck without the car, even though in this case there was helmet to helmet contact.

They told us the whole purpose of the targeting rule was to prevent concussions and CTE.

It didn’t work here. Ol boy still got knocked out.

Everyone loves big hits. Except the guy receiving it. And often times the guy delivering it.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8168 posts
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:25 pm to
If you are watching Monday Night Football, you may have just seen a player die from a hit in the chest from a shoulder.
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