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re: Everyone who's followed Brian Kelly over the years knows...
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:24 pm to LSUstephen17
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:24 pm to LSUstephen17
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MELT
LSU is building a dynasty
Well if LSU was in the Grand Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference where Brian Kelly did his best work, he would be.
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Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:32 pm to UpToPar
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In Kirby Smart's first 3 seasons, he:
- Won the Liberty Bowl against TCU
- Lost the NC against Bama
- Lost the Sugar Bowl against Texas
What made you think Kirby was capable of winning one after his first three seasons?
Simple answer is recruiting.
Kirby from day 1 recruited at UGA better than any other UGA coach ever has by a large margin.
UGA was 100 points behind Bama in the 2016 talent composite (after Kirby's transition class)
In 2017 it was 67 points.
2018 it was 21 points.
2019 it was 24 points.
2020 it was -5 points (UGA was in the lead)
2021 it was even.
2022 it was 15 points.
Closing that 100 point disadvantage to being basically even by going from a team with classes ranked 5-10 to one with classes ranked 1-3 is what made me think Kirby was capable of winning a NC. It takes several years of turnover to get there... but by bringing in those top classes he showed he could do it.
The other thing you're missing is that Kirby came to UGA as a first time head coach. There was no history on him... so there was always going to be a level of uncertainty as to what he'd do going forward. But recruiting largely is a forward looking thing... a great class doesn't impact the next year... it's more about 3-4 years down the road. UGA's incredible 2018 recruiting class were seniors in 2021. There's a reason why UGA was so good last season. But we've had similarly good classes ever since... which is why UGA was still good this year.
Kelly was still struggling to get out of the first round of the division 2 playoffs in his 10th and 11th season at Grand Valley State. He was still losing the big games in years 6-12 at Notre Dame. You have a coach with over 30 years of coaching history on the books. He's been Mark Richt the whole time. It's kind of silly to expect him to morph into Nick Saban after 30 years.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:34 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Well if LSU was in the Grand Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference where Brian Kelly did his best work, he would be.
If you give him 10 seasons.
It wasn't until year 12 at Grand Valley that Kelly got out of the first round of their playoff.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:42 pm to JPLSU1981
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Brian Kelly is easily a Top10 coach in CFB. Everyone that is college football savvy knows this.
Mark Richt was a top 10 coach too.
But he was never a top 5 coach. There's a reason he never won a title at UGA.
Brian Kelly is simply a lot like Mark Richt so far. He can bring a team up to the step below being a NC contender... but barring some severe luck he's not going to win one.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 12:51 pm to Pandy Fackler
quote:And there you have it. Kelly the "loser" beats Bama 32-31 with a depleted team, forces Saban to prostitute* himself on national TV but LSU still cost them a spot in the playoff over 2 teams Bama would be "favored by the eye test" over.
Alabama gifts him a win
*Saban the whore didn't even get a reach around but he sure as hell gave one!!
Kelly Forever!!
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:03 pm to DawginSC
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You have a coach with over 30 years of coaching history on the books. He's been Mark Richt the whole time. It's kind of silly to expect him to morph into Nick Saban after 30 years.
I don't expect him to be Saban, frankly I only expect Kelly to coach 5 or so more years.
His goals should be:
Clean up the mess Orgeron left and put LSU back on the path to success
Keep positive momentum going into Year 2 (2023)
Secure top 5 recruiting classes every cycle
Be a serious contender for the SEC and CFP by Year 3 (2024)
Leave LSU as a contender for the next hire
LSU is clearly a better program than Notre Dame right now so he will have all the resources to do so, however Orgeron did leave a mess so I expect that to take at least two cycles to clean up.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:16 pm to VooDude
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Who in the frick is this guy?
Nobody takes Fanny Packer seriously on here.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:22 pm to DawginSC
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If you give him 10 seasons.
It wasn't until year 12 at Grand Valley that Kelly got out of the first round of their playoff.
Holy shite, it took that long?
Well then Kelly reached his ceiling years ago.
As each page passes, we learn more and more why he was last on Scott Woodward's list.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:31 pm to SidewalkTiger
I think this is extremely reasonable Sidewalk. I'd love for Kelly to take us to the SEC Championship each year, but with the playoffs opening up if we happen to drop a game against Bama or something we can still have strong seasons via the playoffs. If we make the playoffs each year or at least compete for a slot then he's a success.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:32 pm to Pandy Fackler
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As each page passes, we learn more and more why he was last on Scott Woodward's list.
Who else was on the list?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Pandy Fackler
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Everyone who's followed Brian Kelly over the years knows...
He's not a great coach. Not at all.
If LSU for instance was actually undergoing this "complete rebuild" they've lied to themselves about, then the A&M loss would be forgivable. The fact of the matter though, is this fanbase crowed throughout the entire off season about how they had the 8th ranked roster in the country and how a coach of Kelly's "stature" would maximize it.
But right after the FSU loss, everything shifted back to Coach Whiteboots and there it stayed for the entire season. They put the onus for Kelly's unclutch failures on that white trash coonass and this fake, "depleted roster" bullshite.
Well Brian Kelly takes the 8th ranked roster in the country, defaults into a division title, has a legit shot to make the playoff and then at the end, chugs Aggy cock so completely, that he takes aaaaaall that sausage gravy, every last globulous drop. We can criticize the guy for a lot of things but spitting isn't one of them.
Anyway, this is the head football coach for the LSU Fighting Tigers.
Same as ever 9 and 3 bullshite in Baton Rouge and n
Copied for posterity!
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:57 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Who else was on the list?
Well the short list before he got to Kelly included Lincoln Riley (first and foremost), Lane Kiffin and Jimbo Fisher.
Jimbo Fisher is a pretty ironic pursuit when you consider the very same guy who delivered Fisher to the Aggies is the very same guy who delivered a coach to LSU who can't beat him.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:59 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Well the short list before he got to Kelly included Lincoln Riley (first and foremost), Lane Kiffin and Jimbo Fisher.
Incorrect.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 2:00 pm to jmon
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Copied for posterity!
If Kelly loses his bowl game, will you repost it?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 2:05 pm to DawginSC
Could very well end up being like a Richt.
IMO Notre Dame has a ceiling, and that’s Top10/playoff. I don’t think they’ll ever have the horses in modern CFB to win it all. Kelly knew that.
IMO Notre Dame has a ceiling, and that’s Top10/playoff. I don’t think they’ll ever have the horses in modern CFB to win it all. Kelly knew that.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 2:41 pm to Pandy Fackler
This entire thread is hilarious. Nice talking points to justify why y’all supposedly aren’t afraid of LSU. Don’t worry, BK has maxed out little old LSU with a 9-3 season. There’s just a certain ceiling here and he has hit it. Get real 
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:21 pm to meansonny
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Instead of saying that your starters aren't good enough, you blame "depth".
Our starters sure gave you a game didn't they! If we had depth, and a developed roster, half of our starters would be depth pieces this year.
I don't know what game you watched.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
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His goals should be:
Clean up the mess Orgeron left and put LSU back on the path to success
Keep positive momentum going into Year 2 (2023)
Secure top 5 recruiting classes every cycle
Be a serious contender for the SEC and CFP by Year 3 (2024)
Leave LSU as a contender for the next hire
Clean up O's mess? Yeah, he'll do that.
Positive momentum? Hard to say. I think LSU could be a better team with a worse record next year. The best West teams this year will all be on the road for LSU next season. They do rotate UT off for Mizzou though... so they have that.
Top 5 class every cycle? Not sure he can manage that. He's 5th right now and OSU is behind him with 4 less recruits. He'll be 4-9th most of the time though... just like Mark Richt was.
I think with the 12 team playoff he'll contend and get in. Mark Richt would have as well had it existed back then.
Leave LSU as a contender. Sure. Kelly has turned every school he's been at into a team that does very well before getting beat by elite coaches in the big games. He'll do the same for LSU.
Keep in mind... I'm NOT saying Kelly sucks. I'm saying he's Mark Richt. Mark Richt was very good, but got beaten on the regular by the Steve Spurriers, Nick Saban and Urban Meyers of the world and lost a fair amount of games UGA should have won to make it so UGA was always JUST out of contention. But he also left UGA in a great place for when they did get an elite coach.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 3:35 pm to WylieTiger
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Our starters sure gave you a game didn't they!
They did?
(looks at 35-10 halftime score)
Uhh... oooookaaaaaayyyyy....
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