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Kiffin speaks on NIL

Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:05 am
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
17466 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:05 am
I thought he hated NIL.

Sounds like he completely changed his tune after the Fisher/Saban squabble:

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“I think I’m the only person that came to Mississippi and lost weight,” he laughs.


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Two days before that exchange erupted, Kiffin told SI that 100% of high school players are choosing schools based on the highest NIL guarantee—and he doesn’t blame them. Despite those saying otherwise, he believes the current model is, in fact, sustainable, yet it will produce uncomfortable locker-room environments where boosters evolve into team owners, manipulating coaching decisions and so on.


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“We’re a professional sport,” he says, “and they are professional players.”


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Lane Kiffin: I’ve said from the beginning, players should get paid. They do the work. Why that should be limited to a scholarship check, I disagree with. And they shouldn’t be [paid] all equal. That’s not what happens in the real world. Why does their best player get paid the same as their worst player? That’s not real life. There’s just not a system. It was ‘O.K., open it up!’ No system behind it. I’m sure some people saw these things coming, and a lot of people didn’t.


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A lot of people sit back and say, ‘Oh, it will go away. NCAA will fix it!’ O.K. Go ahead and wait. As a coach and AD, you won’t be there. There will be a new coach and AD. It’s here. I don’t spend time like others, ‘How long is it here? How are they going to fix it!?’ I don’t care. It’s here.
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
9401 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:09 am to
Does that one quote mean he is okay with boosters manipulating coaching decisions?
Posted by ReversePiggie
In non-Arkansas US
Member since Sep 2021
4292 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:11 am to
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“I think I’m the only person that came to Mississippi and lost weight,”


Now that's funny!
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
76838 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:15 am to
He’s not supporting what Jimbo and A&M are doing at all. Just that players should be paid. Saban doesn’t necessarily believe they shouldn’t get paid but not to the extent A&M is doing it.
Posted by WilliamTaylor21
383 Hoosier Daddy Lane
Member since Dec 2013
38813 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:15 am to
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“I think I’m the only person that came to Mississippi and lost weight,”

Look down and you’ll find it
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90064 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:19 am to
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“We’re a professional sport,” he says, “and they are professional players.”


but that's the prblome. It's not a professional sport and these aren't professional players. They're amateur college students that are also playing a sport. Are the equestrian people pros? How about womens' tennis or golf? Just because you throw millions at these kids doens't automatically transform them into something they aren't.

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I’ve said from the beginning, players should get paid. They do the work


So why stop there? How is what they're doing any differne than what some of the top national HS programs are doing, other than the money difference? Why not pay HS kids next?

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Why that should be limited to a scholarship check,


it's not limited ot that. They get free tuition, free books, free housing, free food, free clothes, free medical care, free tutoring, and a stipend on top of that in exchange for playing. They are getting into the 6 figures per year of compensation. This whole "woe is them" crap is just baloney.

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And they shouldn’t be [paid] all equal. That’s not what happens in the real world. Why does their best player get paid the same as their worst player? That’s not real life


this is just waiting to be a can of worms. And this isn't "real life" yet, you're right. It's college. It's the last stop before you actually DO enter "real life".

Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
35154 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:25 am to
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I’ve said from the beginning, players should get paid. They do the work


Grad students can end up doing most of the teaching. They get a pittance.

Other grad students can end up working in labs and helping the school get grants. They earn practically nothing.

If a student helps invent a cutting age biodegradable plastic that's perfect for medical applications, the school could earn millions and the student gets their name on a paper.

I can ASSURE you that no one is going to bat for those kids.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90064 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:28 am to
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Grad students can end up doing most of the teaching. They get a pittance.

Other grad students can end up working in labs and helping the school get grants. They earn practically nothing.

If a student helps invent a cutting age biodegradable plastic that's perfect for medical applications, the school could earn millions and the student gets their name on a paper.

I can ASSURE you that no one is going to bat for those kids.



agreed. And the retort is alwasy "well look how much money the players bring into the school!"

ok? So what? Have they been tricked or decieved in any way? The system has always been "you come to our school and paly football and we'll give you [however much in compensation and perks, often a lot] in return" and if the palyers deem that acceptable that's where they go. Simple, end of transaction. There was no need to compliacate it any more than that but now we have and it's like we're watching an entirely different sport. In less than 5 years we now have 18/19 year olds signign million dollar deals out of HS wihtout playing a snap, while also giving them unrestricted ability to transfer wherever they want for any reason they want with no strings attached. It's lunacy.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23621 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:31 am to
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He’s not supporting what Jimbo and A&M are doing at all.

What is Jimbo and A&M doing? Will you point me to the NCAA assessment or an article that lays it out? You know your team chats. I heard it did.
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
17466 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:39 am to
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He’s not supporting what Jimbo and A&M are doing at all.


So why did all those transfer portal kids pick Ole Miss? Your coach says kids are choosing schools based on money deals.
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
18146 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:39 am to
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I thought he hated NIL


Doesn't sound like that at all. It sounds like he hates what unstructured NIL process could lead to. The "unintended consequences" of letting it all unfold without boundaries.

Posted by ReversePiggie
In non-Arkansas US
Member since Sep 2021
4292 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:42 am to
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f a student helps invent a cutting age biodegradable plastic that's perfect for medical applications, the school could earn millions and the student gets their name on a paper.

Yep. They know what they're trading for coming in. Education with post collegiate opportunities.

Being a 4th or 5th contributor tied to a well known PI or groundbreaking study can launch their careers.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
11835 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:44 am to
Yes, Kiffin said he has always supported players getting paid.

You are Ignoring all other schools in the country - doing whatever recruiting and NIL they are doing. There are publicly advertised pay for play schemes that are not at A&M.

So everyone else is holding their nose and just going along with NIL because they have to.

Kiffin doesn’t want to exploit the transfer portal the way he has, but he must.

Except that the devil Jimbo loves NIL and is making everyone else do what they don’t want to do. It’s all his fault.

Real sympathetic character and victim this Lane Kiffin has turned out to be.

Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33688 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:49 am to
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Why that should be limited to a scholarship check


Need to discontinue athletic scholarships and let it run solely on NIL. Why are we giving athletes money to academic institutions anyway? For the ones that want the education, give them an academic scholarship and hold them to something other than a 1.4 gpa.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7706 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:51 am to
You are cherry picking excerpt from what he has said, and even in that article.

That aside, I think anybody would agree that you can't blame the kids and parents for liking the current situation, but still recognize it for what it is, and what Kiffin says it is...

“We’re a professional sport,” he says, “and they are professional players.

These collectives, you basically made what was cheating before legal. You had no rules behind it. You’ve created something that was going to have a ton of issues.

The thing that seems simple is there’s a cap. How are we not a professional sport? What is the difference? [Players] are making money. They can opt into free agency. We’re a professional sport, and they are professional players. Contracted employees without contracts. They can get out whenever they want. And how is it not being seen that, unless there are changes of rules around caps and contracts, how is every elite college player not at the end of their season [entering the portal]? … Let’s be realistic, in professional sports, if you are the agent of a player, and the player can opt into free agency and come back to where they want after testing the waters, who says, ‘No, I’m not going to do that,’ unless there’s a penalty?

There are all kinds of issues that are coming. Let’s say reports are true, and some high school quarterback is making $6 to $8 million. How is that going to work? How is he coming into the locker room? Are the coaches going to need to play him, or are donors going to be mad when he’s not playing—the first-round pick that the donor drafts. I’ve been in that situation.

The people paying that are going to want that guy to play. If he’s not playing, how is the backup quarterback who is earning just a scholarship check going to play over him?

You’ve got all kinds of issues to come. Professional sports has done it for a long time. They’ve figured it out. Ideally, there should be some type of cap. Different people are making different money, but there’s a reason for it.

When they really figure it out, incoming guys get less. [The NFL] figured out the cap better in the rookie contracts years ago. The rookies were making more than the 10-year vets. They’ve fixed that. That’s a major problem [in college]. Right now, you’ve got good players who are returning starters not making anything because people are paying the ones coming in, trying to get them [in NIL bidding wars].

People are going to criticize me for saying that “people are paying them to come in” by saying that’s not what is happening. That is exactly what’s happening."
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So it's disengenious to pick a sentence here and a paragraph there and say that Kiffin supports NIL the way it is now. He's still recruiting, though he knows the odds right now are stacked way against his own program, so he is going to temper the "we need changes" with "I don't blame them", and honestly, a noted, who can blame the kid and the parents? Nobody can. That's clear.


Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38073 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:52 am to
NIL just ups the ante for cheating. It and transfer portal will ruin, if it hasn't already, college football. You can pick the 6 or 8 teams that will be in the playoffs in future years pretty easily. Maybe 10 or so, because with NIL, USC and UCLA will be back.
Posted by G&P
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
2413 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:54 am to
“Historically, Ole Miss has resided toward the bottom of the SEC in athletic budget. In 2019, before the pandemic arrived, the Rebels had a budget of $108 million, 12th in the 14-team SEC. That year, the school’s athletic department received $28 million in donor contributions—23rd nationally and roughly a fraction of donations to league rivals like Texas A&M ($85M), Georgia ($52M), Florida ($45M) and LSU ($42M).” LINK
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7706 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:03 am to
SI: Alabama has dominated the last decade-plus of college football. Will NIL bring some parity at least to the very top of the sport?

LK: If you’re Alabama, how does your gap not continue to widen? If you have NIL, you can get the players. You were already signing No. 1 classes. Now there’s a money factor involved, and you have top resources for that and you have the portal so you are replacing. If you have holes anywhere with guys leaving, they’re just going to replace them. You see them doing it. Here’s the best players out there not playing at Alabama. They can come take these spots.

People always ask me when Nick Saban will retire. Before, I said, ‘Not for a long time.’ He’s driven and he works like he’s 30. Now, it’ll be never. Why would he? You get the best players, have free agency to pluck the best players.

He’ll be there forever. He might double his championships.
Posted by spettro
Member since Aug 2021
125 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:07 am to
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He’s not supporting what Jimbo and A&M are doing at all. Just that players should be paid. Saban doesn’t necessarily believe they shouldn’t get paid but not to the extent A&M is doing it.


Saban is a socialist piece of shite person

Saban made millions but cries when players get paid thousands

Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
35154 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:07 am to
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agreed. And the retort is alwasy "well look how much money the players bring into the school!"


Athletics makes money, no doubt.

In 2019, Universities made $1.1 billion on royalties, licensing and advertising. If you want to state that athletes are the reason for ticket sales (which is debatable as some schools, without high profile athletes, still sell out their stadiums), then you can toss in another $2.01 billion. Throw in $3.44 billion if you feel that media rights are also part of that.

That's cumulative across all universities.

Athletics brought into universities in 2019 a cumulative $18.9 billion. The biggest contributor, though, is "institution and government supports" at $6.85 billion.



By end of fiscal year 2020, total endowments for universities were up to $691 billion; while some of those do go to schools that don't invest heavily in athletics (Harvard, Yale), at 11 of the top 20 in endowment are from FBS programs. Stanford, for example, received nearly $29 billion in endowments.

People need to stop with this make-believe idea that athletics are what keeps a University bringing in the money. It's can bring in some, but even the most profitable athletic department - Texas - brought in $223 million in 2019.

Compare that to the $30.5 billion in endowments brought in to the University of Texas system in 2019. Even if the system split those up equally among all 13 universities, colleges and health institutions (which we all know would be absurd), that's still $2.35 billion to each. Athletics would equal 1/10th of that.


Yes, I agree that people should be able to make money off their own likeness.

That being said, this isn't the same as a professional athlete getting a contract to play for a team, then signing a deal with someone like AFLAC or their local auto dealership. I don't know how often rookies get deals like that, but I imagine if they do it's only the first round draft picks that get even a taste of that (and if they suck, they're not keeping it). We've got boosters working out deals for kids that has no bearing on reality because it's not a business decision, it's purely to help the team. It's literally the reverse order on how things work when you're out of college.
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