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re: Kiffin speaks on NIL

Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:09 am to
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:09 am to
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Being a 4th or 5th contributor tied to a well known PI or groundbreaking study can launch their careers.


Being a starting WR on a 10+ win team can also launch a career.

Only for one of these, we're arguing they should get rewarded before they've done anything and the other should settle for "exposure".

And it's not the one bringing in the most money for their school.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13143 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:14 am to
LOL at pitiful Texas A&M...don't you a yell practice to attend
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:18 am to
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Saban made millions but cries when players get paid thousands



oh really?

Nick Saban JULY 20, 2021:
Alabama QB Bryce Young Has Earned Close to '7 Figures' in NIL Deals, Nick Saban Says

Alabama quarterback Bryce Young is cashing in on new NCAA rules allowing players to benefit from name, image and likeness rights.

"Our QB has already approached ungodly numbers, and he hasn’t even played yet," Alabama coach Nick Saban said Tuesday, per a tweet from Chris Hummer of 247Sports. "If I told you what it is … it’s almost 7-figures."

Young signed with CAA for his marketing deals and quickly landed a pact with CashApp.
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Saban supports NIL as it is intended. Notice that Young's first deal was with CashApp, a legitimate business, and not accepting money from boosters, which is a sham under the cover of NIL.

LINK

The bad news for you and yours is that the vast majority, as in nearly every coach and administrator in the college game, agree with Saban. If you seriously think a few programs are going to get their way, and nearly all the rest will not, then you are extremely stupid.
Posted by GalvoAg
Galveston TX
Member since Apr 2012
11255 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:24 am to
Gumps in a tizzy, their state is slowly turning into socialism.
Posted by spettro
Member since Aug 2021
125 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:28 am to
your ex coach Kiffin said it best:

quote:

quote:
A lot of people sit back and say, ‘Oh, it will go away. NCAA will fix it!’ O.K. Go ahead and wait. As a coach and AD, you won’t be there. There will be a new coach and AD. It’s here. I don’t spend time like others, ‘How long is it here? How are they going to fix it!?’ I don’t care. It’s here.


saban was squealing for help on national tv
Posted by GalvoAg
Galveston TX
Member since Apr 2012
11255 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:32 am to
Saban wants to take the money out of these kids hands, he’s on the wrong side of history and him and fans can’t stand it.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:33 am
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7706 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:32 am to
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saban was squealing for help on national tv


Saban, Kirby Smart, Lane Kiffin, and the vast majority will demand regulations and will get their way. Wait and watch it.
Posted by BLG
Georgia
Member since Mar 2018
7706 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:34 am to
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Saban wants to take the money out of these kids hands


right. That's why he was boasting about Young's NIL deals.
Posted by spettro
Member since Aug 2021
125 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:19 am to
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Saban, Kirby Smart, Lane Kiffin, and the vast majority will demand regulations and will get their way. Wait and watch it.


maybe at the US Congress level, but it will take time

Any US law regarding NIL will be challenged by states, as most high profile CFB teams belong to state universities.

In the end, I see NIL "lightly" regulated along the lines of "you cannot pay while kids are in HS, and you have to disclose all payments."

I think most expect NCAA to limit NIL amounts, akin a salary cap. NOT a chance. this is America, we live is a capitalist system. Saban never had a salary cap on his salary. Players will be paid at fair market value.

Saban is a socialist. He's done.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
22266 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:11 pm to
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Saban is a socialist. He's done.


It must be rough for you, being retarded and all.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:14 pm to
You are in fantasy land
Posted by DrKnievel
Belgium, MT
Member since Sep 2016
509 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:12 pm to
I think you are confusing two different models. The NCAA was supposed to create parity and fairness through amateur sports by rewarding student athletes with scholarships to play sports.

As the TV money has come in over the years, that made football a professional sport but probably not in the way you are thinking.

Budgets have skyrocketed resulting in crazy salaries, updated facilities, and funding non-revenue sports. However, there was little impact to the workers (the players).

NIL didn’t fix this problem. It just created a new revenue stream that created a way for players to receive money.

Throw in the fact that players were already getting payed by bagmen, there really hasn’t been parity to the game for a long time.

So if I were to sum it up, Jimbo has found a better way to cheat than Saban, who prefers the old way of cheating. They are both cheating because virtually everyone cheats in the SEC. Is one cheating better than the other?

A key problem is the culture of cheating. No matter what rules are in place, cheating will still be prevalent because nobody is enforcing any of the rules.

The second issue is football can’t just be professional from a coaching standpoint; however, if you pay the players now, this will adversely affect the non revenue sports.

Saban prefers the old way of cheating while Jimbo prefers the new way.

There is already football fatigue because the same team wins year in and year out. It may be new teams in the future, but nobody likes seeing the same team win because they are cheating. So, I see the problem getting worse but it all goes back to when TV money came into play.

Ideally, there would be some kind of salary cap to create parity, but I don’t see how that is even possible with the way NIL was structured. It is completely decoupled from the sport.

Add in that everyone is going to cheat, and you are back to square one that there never has been parity to begin with and there probably never will be.
Posted by TMRebel
Oxford, MS
Member since Feb 2013
7894 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:46 pm to
I don't think he's hated NIL, he's always commented on how it's changed the game and how there needs to be structure. This falls in line with how's he's talked in the past to me.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:08 pm to
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There was a player who went to a school that we got beat on, and I asked him about the relationship with the head coach. He had never talked to him. NIL.


This is the most telling quote.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
9204 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:11 pm to
Coaches are all for players getting paid more because it takes the focus away from them being paid less. It's always been about money, but It's now out of control all around.
Posted by Grateful Reb
Member since Apr 2011
8070 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:12 pm to
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Take professional sports. [Imagine if] instead of winning and drafting at the end, you win and draft at the top. You are Team Whatever and you draft in the top five every year and get a higher cap than everybody you are playing against, and in free agency, you get the first pick by using your higher cap. How is that not going to separate?


Another great one.

He’s right. There’s already very little parity, and this would eliminate it completely.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23223 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:56 pm to
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Saban doesn’t necessarily believe they shouldn’t get paid but not to the extent A&M is doing it.



Saban is all in on NIL, except for using it to recruit. He personally involved himself in how Alabama's collective would be structured.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
11833 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:00 pm to
But he is using it to recruit by talking about how much his QB makes in NIL
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
11833 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:08 pm to
Why would the HC be personally involved in structuring NIL deals? They are supposed to be part of the AD.
Posted by Whentheleveebreaks
Member since Aug 2020
2794 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 3:14 pm to
So my understanding is the one line that people are trying to throw at A&M or Riley or whoever.

NIL can not be used to help recruit a kid.

We will not even get into what some schools did last year advertising certain amounts for certain positions. Bc one would think that they clearly broke the rules but there hasn’t been a peep about those schools.

Every top recruit is going to want to have an idea. Every school is telling their recruits the potential NIL deals at their school.

Do you really think a school that wants to compete at the top is staying quiet?

Of course they are not. Every SEC school is doing it.

Nothing Kiffin said was surprising.

This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 3:29 pm
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