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FYI John Doe on Milroe
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:56 pm
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I too don't like how this went down with Milroe and Simpson/Lonergan. Milroe is still a project QB. Lonergan and Simpson at this moment have better QB skills who can pass the ball. A running QB will never beget a championship.
I too don't like how this went down with Milroe and Simpson/Lonergan. Milroe is still a project QB. Lonergan and Simpson at this moment have better QB skills who can pass the ball. A running QB will never beget a championship.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 1:05 pm
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:22 pm to Shaft Williams
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I too don't like how this went down with Milroe and Simpson/Lonergan. Milroe is still a project QB. Lonergan and Simpson at this moment have better QB skills who can pass the ball. A running QB will never beget a championship.
Milroe has completed 27 of his last 33 passes for 389 yards. He's passing the ball fine right now. Weird flex.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:24 pm to Funky Tide 8
Literally over 80% completion rate against SEC so far. I'd argue he'd fair better against TX if given another go around too.
I'm good with it for now
I'm good with it for now
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:28 pm to Funky Tide 8
With our personnel the game against A&M should be a blowout. But, if Milroe can't consistently pass the ball the game will be competitive and the defense and special teams will have to win the game. A&M's weakness is their secondary. Miami has shown this. If Milroe can't take advantage of this he should be benched. I hope Milroe is really improving but if he plays a bad half of this A&M game he should lose his job.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:39 pm to Shaft Williams
I am on minute 7 of your link, and what this dude is missing is that Ty has had plenty of opportunities in practice and camp, and by most accounts, he struggled mightily. If he can just sling it all over the field to open WRs, then why didn't he do it in camp, or when he got the opportunity in the USF game(besides 1 pass)? He got plenty of clean pockets where he held the ball for way too long and got sacked. The "he hasn't gotten the opportunity" excuse doesn't really hold water.
And comparing this situation to the Jalen/Tua is dumb. Oh cool, you were right about Tua being a better option than Jalen, so were a million other Bama fans. Want a cookie? Well, hate to break it to you "coach" but Simpson is not in the same universe as Tua. If Simpson was as good as Tua, then it'd be extremely obvious to anyone who has every watched a football game who the better option would be.
And its weird timing considering Milroe has passed the ball really well the last two games, and seems to be improving in his reads.
Milroe has gotten plenty of shite on this board and elsewhere for his performance against Texas, and rightfully so, and we all know that Milroe still has to keep improving, so I'm not sure who he is screaming at about this.
but the reality is is that Milroe is our best option right now. If Milroe has a disastrous first half, then sure, lets try something else. But putting 1 of the other 3 in there against a stout front in a rowdy atmosphere is not ideal.
And comparing this situation to the Jalen/Tua is dumb. Oh cool, you were right about Tua being a better option than Jalen, so were a million other Bama fans. Want a cookie? Well, hate to break it to you "coach" but Simpson is not in the same universe as Tua. If Simpson was as good as Tua, then it'd be extremely obvious to anyone who has every watched a football game who the better option would be.
And its weird timing considering Milroe has passed the ball really well the last two games, and seems to be improving in his reads.
Milroe has gotten plenty of shite on this board and elsewhere for his performance against Texas, and rightfully so, and we all know that Milroe still has to keep improving, so I'm not sure who he is screaming at about this.
but the reality is is that Milroe is our best option right now. If Milroe has a disastrous first half, then sure, lets try something else. But putting 1 of the other 3 in there against a stout front in a rowdy atmosphere is not ideal.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:41 pm to Shaft Williams
I am pleased that Milroe is progressing, and showed promise Saturday. The problem is that he is still making some bone headed plays, namely where he gets out of the pocket, hangs out or 20 seconds and takes a sack instead of throwing the ball away. He did it multiple times against a not great MSU defense. A&M will present a whole new set of issues up front for us, and we wont be able to overcome those. It will eventually come to a head unless the improvements increase dramatically. I'm afraid he is getting to his ceiling, I guess we will see where that gets us this year. Hopefully its enough.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:45 pm to footstepsfalco
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A&M will present a whole new set of issues up front for us
I saw these stats on Twitter:
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Texas A&M:
Sacks - 3rd nationally
TFL - 2nd nationally
Alabama:
Sacks allowed - 127th nationally
TFL allowed - 122nd nationally
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:47 pm to Funky Tide 8
The accounts I heard were that Simpson and even Buchner were playing the QB position better than Milroe in camp. And, to be fair Simpson didn't get as much of an opportunity against USF as Buchner got. And, Lonergan got no opportunity. I like Milroe but I've been here before with these running QBs that aren't dual threat QBs. It never ends well unless you have someone to take over for them once they play a competent defense.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:50 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
A&M got a Bentley DL and a Yugo secondary. Their secondary is along the lines of LSU and Ole Miss. Miami whipped them going and coming due to a competent QB and OC.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:57 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
If A&M plays Ole Miss, I bet Ole Miss beats them again. Why? Competent QB play and play-calling that will take advantage of A&M's bad secondary.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:08 pm to Shaft Williams
Alabama is giving up 1 sack per 5 pass attempts. UGA is giving up 1 per 45 pass attempts, Kentucky is 1 ever 36.
If Bama was doing that Bryce's Heisman season that would be 105 sacks for the season.
If Bama was doing that Bryce's Heisman season that would be 105 sacks for the season.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:09 pm to JIB
If Bama beats TAMU I expect Bama to run the table for the rest of the regular season.
I mean, this team is only going to get better.
I mean, this team is only going to get better.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:10 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
It's going to be rough if we have to go to a pass heavy gameplan. I think this is a good preview for Georgia/Playoffs if we're lucky enough for the latter
Part of that is also our QB bailing from the pocket into sacks though. Maybe 20% are him refusing to throw the ball away. Our pocket presence has to get cleaned up soon
At this point and with lonergan taking second string snaps, I think our only hope is pulling what Clemson did with Lawrence/Kelly Bryant. Doesnt seem like Simpson has that chance
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Alabama is giving up 1 sack per 5 pass attempts. UGA is giving up 1 per 45 pass attempts, Kentucky is 1 ever 36.
Part of that is also our QB bailing from the pocket into sacks though. Maybe 20% are him refusing to throw the ball away. Our pocket presence has to get cleaned up soon
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I like Milroe but I've been here before with these running QBs that aren't dual threat QBs. It never ends well unless you have someone to take over for them once they play a competent defense.
At this point and with lonergan taking second string snaps, I think our only hope is pulling what Clemson did with Lawrence/Kelly Bryant. Doesnt seem like Simpson has that chance
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:14 pm to JIB
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Alabama is giving up 1 sack per 5 pass attempts. UGA is giving up 1 per 45 pass attempts, Kentucky is 1 ever 36.
Pass protection has been fine the last 2 weeks - even very good. It was atrocious the first 3 weeks, but it's been much better the last 2 weeks. Per PFF the pass blocking was responsible for 1 sack the last 2 weeks. The others were Milroe's bad judgement.
We'll see how the improvement holds up against a good front this Saturday.
Per PFF
Sacks/Hurries/Pressures by game due to Pass Blocking Failure
MTSU : 2, 5, 8
Texas : 3, 11, 17
USF : 5, 5, 12
Ole Miss : 0, 3, 5
State : 1, 3, 5
Ouzts was held responsible for the 1 sack. Ouzts and Jase were responible for 3 of the 5 hurries/pressures vs State. The OL gave up 0 sacks and only 2 pressures.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:15 pm to Funky Tide 8
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If Simpson was as good as Tua, then it'd be extremely obvious to anyone who has every watched a football game who the better option would be.
If Simpson was half as good as Tua he'd have absolutely wrecked that dogshit USF defense for a couple of quarters before they sent Buchner back in to hand the ball off for the entire 4Q with a 38-3 lead.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:16 pm to Funky Tide 8
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And comparing this situation to the Jalen/Tua is dumb. Oh cool, you were right about Tua being a better option than Jalen, so were a million other Bama fans. Want a cookie?
Well, you're correct on one thing. It's not as clear cut as the Hurts/Tua situation.
With that said, you were one not considered to be in those "million Bama fans" you speak of.
So, no cookie for you.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:16 pm to Shaft Williams
Yeah, these "But Van Dyke was fine against A&M" takes are silly. Van Dyke is still a different level of QB than Milroe as a passer. He had a down 2022, but his 2021 lead to early draft grades and his 2023 looks like he'll certainly go in the first round this year.
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Per PFF
I thought the general consensus was that PFF is awful for college. Do we now think their stats are accurate?
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:19 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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I thought the general consensus is that PFF is awful for college. Do we now think their stats are accurate?
I think their "grading" is awful. I think their stats are generally pretty good. Not perfect, because you don't know exactly what a play structure called for (especially on defense in terms of coverages and responsibility for certain receivers/field areas), but charting a game for stat purposes they seem to generally line up pretty favorably with stats coaches give out (when they do) (missed tackles, broken tackles, pressures, etc - stats that aren't kept in a box score but are pretty black and white when someone charting a game watches film).
There is a pretty big disconnect between their stat only stuff and their opinion "grading" stuff.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:22 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Ah, okay, that makes sense. Appreciate the info! 
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