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beatbammer
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
Jimmy Rane and Bobby Lowder will be a thousand years in the grave, but even in the year 3021 we'll have descendants of all the sensitive nancies still whining and crying about the GOB's and the PTB. It's a core genetic trait of a significant segment of Auburn fandom.


LanierSpots
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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It's a core genetic trait of a significant segment of Auburn fandom.



True. And Auburn fans act like every team doesnt have a Bobby Lowder




beatbammer
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
Hell I grew up in Columbus knowing all about Don Leebern and his creative “summer jobs” for UGA football players.

He was payed back for that service by being placed on the UGA Board of Regents, whereupon he slept around on his wife with the UGA gymnastics coach.
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AuSteeler
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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Hell I grew up in Columbus knowing all about Don Leebern and his creative “summer jobs” for UGA football players.

He was payed back for that service by being placed on the UGA Board of Regents, whereupon he slept around on his wife with the UGA gymnastics coach.


TMI.


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trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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It is like swapping women. You just get a different set of problems.


Or in the words of Lenny on Law and Order.."Whats wrong with hookers, unlike my three ex wifes, they did tell me the price up front".


trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
The Athletic Dept is not an island unto itself, it is part of the University and as such, Im certain Greene has to work with his peers regarding fights for capital.

The University is in the process of spending 309 million dollars on facilities as we speak, some are directly related to athletics, like the new sports facility, and others like the new wellness facility no doubt also benefits the athletic programs/recruitment.

The way you guys talk about money its as if there are no limits you sound like...oops better not say it or I will be kicked to the poliboard, or worse yet Ill have to take you out back of the Sonic

As far as annual operating budgets, the fricking US just went through one of the worst economic dips since the depression and Im certain Greene arguing with a room full of academics that the football team really really needs a DJ room, barber shops, and flight simulators is one hell of a sales pitch. Give the guy a break.
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TemperdTiger
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
Pretty sure in many ways Auburn Athletic's budget is separate to the University's academic budget, but not entirely.


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GenesChin
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
A lot of people are acting like a 10% budget cut is forcing these coaches / programs onto the streets. It's like everyone forgot about the years of complaining during the Jacobs era on how bloated the AD was and how we should cut the stupid expenses.

From my understanding, Greene basically told programs "cut 10% or justify why you can't/it impacts winning." I think he even gave an example paraphrasing as "if we need to impress key recruits, that's a good reason"

I don't think it is unreasonable that the AD at some point decides "Hey maybe we should rethink our budget to reallocate $ towards things that help win."






AuSteeler
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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A lot of people are acting like a 10% budget cut is forcing these coaches / programs onto the streets. It's like everyone forgot about the years of complaining during the Jacobs era on how bloated the AD was and how we should cut the stupid expenses.

From my understanding, Greene basically told programs "cut 10% or justify why you can't/it impacts winning." I think he even gave an example paraphrasing as "if we need to impress key recruits, that's a good reason"

I don't think it is unreasonable that the AD at some point decides "Hey maybe we should rethink our budget to reallocate $ towards things that help win."


My understanding of the situation with Jacobs was that he was too top heavy with administrators. It was not necessarily a bloated operating budget for the programs.

And to me, you evaluate EACH program to see where the fat and inefficiency is. To do a cross the board cut to me is the lazy way of doing it.

And the high profile, best revenue producing programs may need that 10% to better compete in their sport.

Just bc Greene said there could be exceptions we don't know if he followed through with that.


GenesChin
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And to me, you evaluate EACH program to see where the fat and inefficiency is.


So you think it is better first step for Green to unilaterally evaluate + micromanage budget cuts instead of giving program heads a try first? If BBall is cutting $, I'd want Bruce Pearl to decide cuts before I gave to Greene

Green is doing this the right way, it is giving program heads the first attempt to evaluate + trim fat before getting mandated from the top. This is how the business world does it to maintain efficient operations

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To do a cross the board cut to me is the lazy way of doing it.


First, this was always reported as starting as a Leath mandate. So hard to know how he'd proceed if he still was in charge.

As for Greene, he has always indicated it was always open for exception. That makes these "10% across board cuts" not mandates but "targets" If a program wants to operate above their target budget, they have to justify their reasoning.

We have finite $ and lots of projects we'd love to start from stadium reno, basketball upgrades, AD support facilities etc. Programs should have to prove that the way they are spending $ is more effective to winning than any of our other possible expenditures.


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best revenue producing programs may need that 10% to better compete in their sport. Just bc Greene said there could be exceptions we don't know if he followed through with that.



If Greene's #1 mandate is to win (not Leath $ mandate), he is making exceptions for budgets that directly impact winning.

Budgeting / Budget cuts are about making our $ more efficient by reallocating $ to the most effective expenditures.




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AuSteeler
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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So you think it is better first step for Green to unilaterally evaluate + micromanage budget cuts instead of giving program heads a try first? If BBall is cutting $, I'd want Bruce Pearl to decide cuts before I gave to Greene

Green is doing this the right way, it is giving program heads the first attempt to evaluate + trim fat before getting mandated from the top. This is how the business world does it to maintain efficient operations

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To do a cross the board cut to me is the lazy way of doing it.


First, this was always reported as starting as a Leath mandate. So hard to know how he'd proceed if he still was in charge.

As for Greene, he has always indicated it was always open for exception. That makes these "10% across board cuts" not mandates but "targets" If a program wants to operate above their target budget, they have to justify their reasoning.

We have finite $ and lots of projects we'd love to start from stadium reno, basketball upgrades, AD support facilities etc. Programs should have to prove that the way they are spending $ is more effective to winning than any of our other possible expenditures.


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best revenue producing programs may need that 10% to better compete in their sport. Just bc Greene said there could be exceptions we don't know if he followed through with that.


If Greene's #1 mandate is to win (not Leath $ mandate), he is making exceptions for budgets that directly impact winning.

Budgeting / Budget cuts are about making our $ more efficient by reallocating $ to the most effective expenditures.




First of all my comment about 'seeing' first, is based on the fact that Greene instituted the 10% cut FIRST. If he asked each program to cut where needed and he didn't get what he thought was good enough results, then it IS on him to evaluate each program.

I never read/heard that he had asked each program to self evaluate and recommend cuts. All i heard was Greene instituted the 10% cut.







GenesChin
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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I never read/heard that he had asked each program to self evaluate and recommend cuts


When setting annual budgets every year, programs submit budget proposals for Green/AD to approve.

So when Greene says "cut 10%" what he is really saying is "your budget proposal you submit should be 10% less. "

It isn't a "fire 10% of employees immediately" type cut


awestruck
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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I never read/heard that he had asked
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All i heard
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, is based on the fact


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jangalang
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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It isn't a "fire 10% of employees immediately" type cut

It was pretty straight forward what he was trying to do when this information came out. Even gave the example of taking out the smoothie machines. If I remember correctly, I believe he trimmed AD fat before the 10% cuts were made.


AuSteeler
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Member since Jan 2015
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
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It was pretty straight forward what he was trying to do when this information came out. Even gave the example of taking out the smoothie machines. If I remember correctly, I believe he trimmed AD fat before the 10% cuts were made.


This is what my 10% cut reference was addressing not including personnel cuts. I agree he already had started his top heavy personnel reductions.

In the end, Greene is being monitored w/ Burgress going in to evaluate the complaints and resolve them, since evidently Greene was not making the changes the program leaders were complaining about.


allin2010
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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
10% sound reasonable on the surface, but where do those cuts come from? Salaries? NO, Cut Staffing? Almost impossible at Auburn... So 10% of the overall budget means bigger cuts in recruiting and travel budget...


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