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re: there is a problem in the Atheletic department
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:45 am to Poker Dough
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:45 am to Poker Dough
There is a lot of line drawing in this thrad.
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:10 am to TheJones
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The other note that I found more interesting is that Greene wasn’t on board with firing Gus. Allegedly, Gogue stops an effort to name Steele HC and gives Greene the authority to run the search and ultimately signed off on Harsin’s hire.
I think the talk we heard when all this was coming down during the search, and who was at play, definitely fits this scenario of Greene wanting to keep Gus a little longer bc of the money. It fits too much his fiscal mind we were seeing.
And it makes sense that not just the Olympic programs complaining but also basketball and baseball adding to it with their issues on travel and cost cuts affecting them.
I can see Leath thinking that even as our sports were thriving fairly well in 2018-2019, he probably didn't think a 10% was going to be that big of a deal.
The overall issues in the AD don't seem monumental now, BUT 2 points to think about: 1. When a President brings in someone to mediate within Greene's domain, that still will not sit well with Greene. 2. Once Gogue is gone, and a new President is brought in, if Greene hasn't left by then he better have shown success in his athletic programs.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:45 am to aubierawks
FYI, can you edit and spell athletic department correctly? TIA.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:03 pm to AUCE05
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FYI, can you edit and spell athletic department correctly? TIA.
He's just spelling it the way he pronounces it.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 6:55 pm to aubierawks
I am super grateful that Greene stopped the money folks from installing Steele or some other less than desirable hire, took control of the search, and ended up hiring a qualified outsider like Harsin.
That alone earned him enough good will from me that I'll be pissed if they let him go. It's hard for me to let budget cuts in a pandemic year with a massive buy-out to pay overrule that.
That alone earned him enough good will from me that I'll be pissed if they let him go. It's hard for me to let budget cuts in a pandemic year with a massive buy-out to pay overrule that.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:34 am to LA kid but AU fan
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I am super grateful that Greene stopped the money folks from installing Steele or some other less than desirable hire, took control of the search, and ended up hiring a qualified outsider like Harsin.
Do we know that happened or is that just still unproven Aubie board folklore?
I still have a hard time believing Steele was ever a serious head coaching candidate for us
Posted on 7/14/21 at 7:45 am to LanierSpots
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Do we know that happened or is that just still unproven Aubie board folklore?
I still have a hard time believing Steele was ever a serious head coaching candidate for us
As long as we're talking rumors...another one floated out there is that Gogue has not been as hands off about athletics as once thought, but that he was the one that stopped the Steele and directed Greene to look outside of AU during the HC search.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:09 am to AuSteeler
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He's just spelling it the way he pronounces it.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:10 am to LanierSpots
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Do we know that happened or is that just still unproven Aubie board folklore?
I'd say it's for sure, but we've been universally duped before.
Even Auburn's most homer and reliable beat guys bought into the "Gus is taking a paycut and restructuring to stay" thing a couple of years ago.
As for Greene, I like him fine, I don't really care if he stays or goes if Gogue is involved in that call. I trust Gogue and Burgess to make sensible decisions there that aren't entirely beholden to the whims of booster pressure.
That said, I don't really blame him for anything on the field. It certainly seems like there is a lot of confusion about who actually runs the AD, so if some of that is because Greene isn't stepping into all facets of the role, he needs to go. Or if he just can't mesh with what we're doing, he needs to go.
But it wasn't Greene who got us the Gus contract. It wasn't Greene who let JHS fall into disrepair without a coherent plan for the future. It wasn't Greene who tanked swimming and diving, or women's basketball. Greene had nothing to do with the injuries that hit us in baseball, etc.
If he's ready and willing to run the AD like a pro, then I'm cool with him. He was apparently very involved in a bold decision on Harsin, so that's a great metric to use going forward.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:55 am to Pettifogger
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As for Greene, I like him fine, I don't really care if he stays or goes if Gogue is involved in that call. I trust Gogue and Burgess to make sensible decisions there that aren't entirely beholden to the whims of booster pressure.
That said, I don't really blame him for anything on the field. It certainly seems like there is a lot of confusion about who actually runs the AD, so if some of that is because Greene isn't stepping into all facets of the role, he needs to go. Or if he just can't mesh with what we're doing, he needs to go.
But it wasn't Greene who got us the Gus contract. It wasn't Greene who let JHS fall into disrepair without a coherent plan for the future. It wasn't Greene who tanked swimming and diving, or women's basketball. Greene had nothing to do with the injuries that hit us in baseball, etc.
If he's ready and willing to run the AD like a pro, then I'm cool with him. He was apparently very involved in a bold decision on Harsin, so that's a great metric to use going forward.
I think looking at all the prior posts, it's like TJ has said...it's somehow a little bit of every rumor.
From all I have read, I think Greene is running the AD, but he tends to be, for now, conservative in his money management, especially operationally.
I agree, he is NOT the responsible one for the poor showings in those programs that were not competitive this year, BUT if he stays he will reap the praise or blame if those new hires he now has been charged with aren't successful.
The only issue that could make him leave, or get pushed out(especially when a new President is in), is with the start of this glaring problem that required Gogue to appt. Burgess to iron out issues within the AD.
That is never a good sign for any AD. I do like Greene, but he needs to start showing vision and I need to know that his fund raising attributes are working.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:07 am to AuSteeler
... so how do we know OP wasn't wrong ?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:33 am to awestruck
The OP is a collection of different rumors and (as the OP states) his opinion. Mostly stemming from Phillip Marshall’s articles on 247.
So, just breaking this down
- we know that Burgess is working with the athletic department after coaches went above Greene to Gogue.
- we know that Greene was implementing a 10% cut to each sport per the direction of his former boss, Leath.
- we know that those coaches were tired of the cuts and wanted someone from the university to determine the necessity of them with the goal to reverse them
The rest is a little more murky. I think the bottom line is that anytime you have coaches banding together and going over the AD to the school’s president is a bad thing. It’s hard to evaluate the severity of Gogue implanting Burgess in the AD due to the fact that Gogue doesn’t like being involved with athletic matters and he’s on his way out the door. I personally don’t believe that PTB are the root of this but I think anyone can be convinced they’re not happy that their effort to take control of the football search was stemmed by Gogue and handed over to Greene. But I’m not sure that’s entering the current field of play right now.
I think that’s a fair summary of what’s known and what’s going on.
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... so how do we know OP wasn't wrong ?
So, just breaking this down
- we know that Burgess is working with the athletic department after coaches went above Greene to Gogue.
- we know that Greene was implementing a 10% cut to each sport per the direction of his former boss, Leath.
- we know that those coaches were tired of the cuts and wanted someone from the university to determine the necessity of them with the goal to reverse them
The rest is a little more murky. I think the bottom line is that anytime you have coaches banding together and going over the AD to the school’s president is a bad thing. It’s hard to evaluate the severity of Gogue implanting Burgess in the AD due to the fact that Gogue doesn’t like being involved with athletic matters and he’s on his way out the door. I personally don’t believe that PTB are the root of this but I think anyone can be convinced they’re not happy that their effort to take control of the football search was stemmed by Gogue and handed over to Greene. But I’m not sure that’s entering the current field of play right now.
I think that’s a fair summary of what’s known and what’s going on.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:41 am to TheJones
And it should be noted PM has been way off on major issues surrounding our football program.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:48 am to TheJones
Was more centering upon the Steele accusations which have assumed walking-dead proportions of possibility and a vampire like lifeline.
eta: Because the rest doesn't really rise above normal office politics... and doesn't automatically indicate there's a growing let's get rid of Greene problem.
eta: Because the rest doesn't really rise above normal office politics... and doesn't automatically indicate there's a growing let's get rid of Greene problem.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:42 am to TheJones
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I personally don’t believe that PTB are the root of this but I think anyone can be convinced they’re not happy that their effort to take control of the football search was stemmed by Gogue and handed over to Greene. But I’m not sure that’s entering the current field of play right now.
This is where I fall on the 'truth' meter.
There have been posts outside of here, where there is info coming from friends of Pearl who support the budget constraints issue.
I agree I don't think it's the PTBs meddling w Greene, unless some of the coaches used them to also talk to Gogue on the internal concerns.
I do believe it will be resolved but 2 things will be so glaring from this:
1. If Pearl who has been the best PR guy for the AD and Auburn overall as well as the best coach and recruiter we have had in basketball in decades, has to scream and push to get what he needs, then thats a poor reflection on Greene.
2. When a President has to bring in a 'mediator' to fix problems within Greene's dept, that is not a good look moving forward. Greene had the power to make it right, and didn't in this case.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:44 am to awestruck
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And it should be noted PM has been way off on major issues surrounding our football program.
Yes. The usual insider caveats apply, though I think there’s a few items we definitely know has happened.
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Was more centering upon the Steele accusations which have assumed walking-dead proportions of possibility and a vampire like lifeline.
Gotcha. Who knows. I think we do know that Greene ran the search that hired Harsin and it seems like he did it without much (if any) help from the PTB. We did have recruits say that the staff thought many of them would be retained. As to if that’s just recruiting nonsense or how it all unfolded, I’m not sure any of the insiders have it right.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:47 am to TheJones
I have a hard time believing anything that comes from Marshall. He's a mouth piece for people who have an agenda. Obviously the complaints are grounded in some truth with Burgess setting up shop in the AD but I just don't buy the narrative being pushed. It seems like sour grapes from the PTB from having their toy taken from them.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:57 am to marshallcotiger
quote:I’m in this camp as well. I have no doubt that Phillip works hard and means well, but his ears are connected to people with an agenda. I don’t believe he ever actually hears it from Auburn’s POV.
have a hard time believing anything that comes from Marshall.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 1:07 pm to LanierSpots
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Even though a lot of them really knew nothing about him
I think that was the point.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 9:27 am to Rig
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I’m in this camp as well. I have no doubt that Phillip works hard and means well, but his ears are connected to people with an agenda. I don’t believe he ever actually hears it from Auburn’s POV.
Especially knowing that Greene, to his benefit, doesn't seem to allow leaks within his AD. He has been very good at keeping his circle small and tight.
So Marshall's info more than likely IS coming from PTB who mostly have an axe to grind...if they are the ones who got pushed aside by Greene during the coaching search.
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