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Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:33 pm to TheJones
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:33 pm to TheJones
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Is the rookie contract difference in going #20-#25 and #10-#15 that much different?
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#10 gets $19.3M over 4 years.
#25 gets $10.8M over 4 years.
That's quite a big difference for a working schlub like me.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 2:37 pm
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 3:21 pm to MrAUTigers
Further down I emphasized the 10 spot differential. That narrows it but your point is fair. But we’re also assuming that next year improves his stock. Could stay the same. He could get injured and delay his opportunity another season too. And another year in college (getting paid $0) delays that second contract another year
Late 1st round PG example
Tyus Jones, PG
1 & done at Duke, drafted 24th
2015: 1,282,080
2016: 1,339,680
2017: 1,371,382
2018: 2,444,053
2019: 8,408,000
5 year total: 14,945,195
Alternate world: he goes back to Duke, gets drafted 14th the following season
2015: $0
2016: 2,092,200
2017: 2,186,400
2018: 2,280,600
2019: 3,377,559
5 years: 9,936,769
In this scenario, he’d have to be drafted 5th the next season to make more money by staying.
It’s all interesting to me. I’d still go, though
that second contract starts at such a higher clip that it erases a lot of uncertainly of staying
Late 1st round PG example
Tyus Jones, PG
1 & done at Duke, drafted 24th
2015: 1,282,080
2016: 1,339,680
2017: 1,371,382
2018: 2,444,053
2019: 8,408,000
5 year total: 14,945,195
Alternate world: he goes back to Duke, gets drafted 14th the following season
2015: $0
2016: 2,092,200
2017: 2,186,400
2018: 2,280,600
2019: 3,377,559
5 years: 9,936,769
In this scenario, he’d have to be drafted 5th the next season to make more money by staying.
It’s all interesting to me. I’d still go, though
that second contract starts at such a higher clip that it erases a lot of uncertainly of staying This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:44 pm to TTsTowel
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Greg Brown may enter the transfer portal?
Interesting. He was not utilized well enough at UT. He's got room to improve in his offensive game, but he's a freak athlete and is respectable behind the 3 pt line.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:46 pm to TheJones
The whole 2nd contract thing presupposes that the player ‘makes it’ in the NBA to the point where they get one right? How often do 1st rounders not make it to their 2nd contract?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:55 pm to TTsTowel
“Greg Brown may enter the transfer portal”
At the time, it seemed he only went to Texas because of Smart. He may follow him to Marquette.
At the time, it seemed he only went to Texas because of Smart. He may follow him to Marquette.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:22 pm to auburn32
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The whole 2nd contract thing presupposes that the player ‘makes it’ in the NBA to the point where they get one right? How often do 1st rounders not make it to their 2nd contract?
Not sure. Some first rounders don’t have their 3rd and 4th years picked up either
that’s not that common, I think those end up being such good deals for franchise that they’re picked up at a very high clip. There’s definitely a scenario where he goes 25th and lasts 2 seasons and makes a tremendous amount less than my scenario. I just tried to pick a guy I thought Cooper was better than as my example
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:27 pm to TheJones
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I just tried to pick a guy I thought Cooper was better than as my example
Do you think Cooper's overall game is better than Bryce or Harper's game coming out of college?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:57 pm to MrAUTigers
Absolutely not.... cooper needs to improve his shooting and defense
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:18 pm to Luke
Compare them has freshmen... cooper is better. He’ll also be a better defender.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:20 pm to lowspark12
Another year under Pearl and the kid will have life changing money
Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:47 pm to MrAUTigers
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Do you think Cooper's overall game is better than Bryce or Harper's game coming out of college?
I’d lean toward no. But I’d say that about a lot of guys that go in the 1st and are leaps and bounds ahead of both of those guys professionally. It’s why the draft evaluation is so important. I think he’s gotta go if he’s a 1st rounder and I bet Bruce (and Brown & Harper) tells him the same thing
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:12 pm to TheJones
By the way, I hope I’m wrong on Cooper. He’d definitely get better. And I don’t think it’s a raw deal for him to return. I don’t think Janga is going read these posts and launch a multi-year investigation into my fanhood
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:03 am to TheJones
Chuma Okeke has been on fire lately, baws.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:41 am to TTsTowel
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Chuma Okeke has been on fire lately, baws.
Looks like all he needed was for Gordon to get traded so he could get a chance. Definitely looking good.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 5:02 am to TheJones
The question I have is how will the NBA look at the half season he's played? And did it hurt him to have his flaws on display without a whole year to show how he resolves them? First games he definitely looked ready to go from high school; however as teams adapted and took note he definitely lost some luster. Shame for him that he didn't get a full year to develop although it may not matter from a potential aspect.
Maybe his agent/dad ought to sue the NCAA for money lost once he's moved on from their grasp.
Maybe his agent/dad ought to sue the NCAA for money lost once he's moved on from their grasp.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 8:24 am to TheJones
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I don’t think Janga is going read these posts and launch a multi-year investigation into my fanhood
Be prepared to be called an NBA plant.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:15 am to TheJones
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Late 1st round PG example
Tyus Jones, PG
1 & done at Duke, drafted 24th
2015: 1,282,080
2016: 1,339,680
2017: 1,371,382
2018: 2,444,053
2019: 8,408,000
5 year total: 14,945,195
Alternate world: he goes back to Duke, gets drafted 14th the following season
2015: $0
2016: 2,092,200
2017: 2,186,400
2018: 2,280,600
2019: 3,377,559
5 years: 9,936,769
In this scenario, he’d have to be drafted 5th the next season to make more money by staying.
Just asking, but in your example why is he getting a 5 year contract in the first example, but only a 4 year contract in the 2nd? Shouldn't he get money for 2020, as he would be signing the same length contract, making it closer to his total if he left as 1 and done...
Also, Cooper was not better than Harper, bc Harper definitely had better scoring options. Even though Cooper is the better distributor, the other parts of his game are not equal to Harper's. And as for defense, Harper was bigger and stronger IMO, and could re-route his guy at times, while Cooper never seemed to want to play D, or even push his guard away from where they wanted to go.
In the end, regardless of how much money, If Cooper and family want to make money now, not go to school, play somewhere within the NBA structure, then they will go for sure. But as we all speculate, we really have no clue...
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:29 am to AuSteeler
I think the 5th year is either club option or 2nd contract
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:33 am to AuSteeler
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Just asking, but in your example why is he getting a 5 year contract in the first example, but only a 4 year contract in the 2nd? Shouldn't he get money for 2020, as he would be signing the same length contract, making it closer to his total if he left as 1 and done...
The second set shows where he’s in college, being paid nothing for that year.
I’m just showing the same 5 years there. One scenario is someone going pro early and the other is someone waiting, thus delaying the start of both the rookie and second deal.
Hope that makes sense. Just trying to highlight an often overlooked part of the stay/go dilemma that these guys go through
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:14 pm to TheJones
quote:That's cool and all, but let's look at this scenario in a way that benefits Auburn in the short term
The second set shows where he’s in college, being paid nothing for that year.
I’m just showing the same 5 years there. One scenario is someone going pro early and the other is someone waiting, thus delaying the start of both the rookie and second deal.
Hope that makes sense. Just trying to highlight an often overlooked part of the stay/go dilemma that these guys go through
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Late 1st round PG example
Tyus Jones, PG
1 & done at Duke, drafted 24th
2015: 1,282,080
2016: 1,339,680
2017: 1,371,382
2018: 2,444,053
4 year total: $6,437,195.00
Alternate world: he goes back to Duke, gets drafted 14th the following season
2015: $0
2016: 2,092,200
2017: 2,186,400
2018: 2,280,600
4 year total: $6,559,200.00
In this scenario, he should keep his arse in school
Also, your 1st 5 year total is off by $100,000, and your second is off by $10. I'd make a joke but I'm trying to #StopAsianStereotyping
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