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Posted on 10/28/25 at 12:55 pm to AU_251
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lol you know Hugh freeze is our coach right
Even the worst coach can see who the best QB is out of ~3 options on the roster ~95% of the time. Its not a hard evaluation.
The fact of the matter is that despite every fanbase always being adamant that the backup QB is better than the struggling starter, there are very few examples where the backup comes in and clearly outplays the starter. At best you get a scenario where the backup sucks equally as much as the starter.
Even last season when UF fans were calling for Lagway to come in game after game and Mertz ended up getting hurt (which forced Lagway onto the field), the reality is that Mertz was clearly better. Florida ended up reeling off some wins with Lagway, but it was because their defense stepped up big time.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:25 pm to metafour
Sure. But the problem is that we have played 8 games, and not once outside the Baylor game has Jackson shown you that he can get it done. So if Ashton ALSO can’t get it done, that’s just another indictment on the HC.
Also, it was very apparent when Ashton came in the entire team appeared to take a sigh of relief and play more inspired.
Also, it was very apparent when Ashton came in the entire team appeared to take a sigh of relief and play more inspired.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:34 pm to AU_251
Ashton threw the one deep bomb but other than that didn't do a whole lot. He led the team to zero TDs. That was a Cobb and Mcpherson show.
I find it strange that Cohen didnt only say the offense needs to play better. He said:
So it's obvious even he saw Ashton's performance was no better.
I find it strange that Cohen didnt only say the offense needs to play better. He said:
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We’ve gotta find a way to get better, and we’ve had some struggles in the second half offensively,”
So it's obvious even he saw Ashton's performance was no better.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 1:54 pm to jangalang
Maybe. But he didn’t throw an extremely crucial pick 6, he didn’t take untimely huge sacks, and he delivered the ball quickly and effectively. He also appears to be a better runner. I’m just in the camp that Jackson just can’t get it done mentally, which makes me wonder about Hugh because no qb since he’s been here has been able to get it done mentally.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 2:03 pm to AU_251
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Maybe. But he didn’t throw an extremely crucial pick 6, he didn’t take untimely huge sacks, and he delivered the ball quickly and effectively.
This right here. He didn't stand back there and take sack after sack after sack. He actually had couple decent throws outside the deep ball to Singleton, which was actually underthrown. At least he gave him a shot to make a play which he did.
He was decisive and moved the offense. I dont think he had a single possession without points. Besides, it is what our offense should be with the struggles the line has pass blocking. Run the ball and sprinkle in some effective passing to keep the defense honest.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 2:23 pm to IAmNERD
Lot of the board here wanted Arnold to be less risk-averse lol
Posted on 10/28/25 at 2:26 pm to IAmNERD
Guys, we were sacked 3 times by Arkansas. 2 of those came against Ashton Daniels. So in that game he was sacked more than Arnold was
I love the completely confident evaluations based off of barely any snaps, against a horrible defense. As if we now know for a fact that Ashton Daniels doesn't throw "extremely crucial pick 6's" (even though his INT rate was horrible at Stanford), or that he won't also take stupid sacks. The fact that he didn't take stupid sacks in a game where we just ran the ball almost exclusively as soon as he came in doesn't really say a whole lot. You'll know more about his ability to avoid sacks if he ever gets into a situation against a real defense where we need to pass to move the ball. Until then, I wouldn't conclude anything.
Didn't Arnold go like 4-5 games before throwing a single pick? Yes the one he threw against Arkansas was bad, but then again Taylen Green threw a pick-six as well, and I'd take Taylen Green 100 times out of 100 vs. Ashton Daniels.
I'm not arguing that Daniels shouldn't start - the offense has been horrible and you may well roll with the backup and see what happens. But I can assure you that absolutely nothing has been confirmed by Daniels whatsoever based off of what we have seen. Jackson Arnold has put up several halves of football that were MUCH better than what you just saw Daniels do against a horrible defense.
I love the completely confident evaluations based off of barely any snaps, against a horrible defense. As if we now know for a fact that Ashton Daniels doesn't throw "extremely crucial pick 6's" (even though his INT rate was horrible at Stanford), or that he won't also take stupid sacks. The fact that he didn't take stupid sacks in a game where we just ran the ball almost exclusively as soon as he came in doesn't really say a whole lot. You'll know more about his ability to avoid sacks if he ever gets into a situation against a real defense where we need to pass to move the ball. Until then, I wouldn't conclude anything.
Didn't Arnold go like 4-5 games before throwing a single pick? Yes the one he threw against Arkansas was bad, but then again Taylen Green threw a pick-six as well, and I'd take Taylen Green 100 times out of 100 vs. Ashton Daniels.
I'm not arguing that Daniels shouldn't start - the offense has been horrible and you may well roll with the backup and see what happens. But I can assure you that absolutely nothing has been confirmed by Daniels whatsoever based off of what we have seen. Jackson Arnold has put up several halves of football that were MUCH better than what you just saw Daniels do against a horrible defense.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 2:42 pm to metafour
Auburn’s best chance to win football games is for Jackson Arnold to be the starting QB and for HF to lean on Cobb and the running game.
HOWEVER
Hugh Freeze cannot help himself. He has to throw the ball at the worst possible times. Our head coach is neutering our offensive momentum.
Therefore, if Hugh does not trust Ashton Daniels to pass - that may be the best thing for our team to win going forward.
Actually, the best way to win would be to fire Freeze and let Durkin finish the season with an actual OC calling plays. (But that is not going to happen).
PS - all the criticism of AD must come with an asterisk. He did not have Cam Coleman in the game which changes everything.
HOWEVER
Hugh Freeze cannot help himself. He has to throw the ball at the worst possible times. Our head coach is neutering our offensive momentum.
Therefore, if Hugh does not trust Ashton Daniels to pass - that may be the best thing for our team to win going forward.
Actually, the best way to win would be to fire Freeze and let Durkin finish the season with an actual OC calling plays. (But that is not going to happen).
PS - all the criticism of AD must come with an asterisk. He did not have Cam Coleman in the game which changes everything.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 4:01 pm to SECdragonmaster
Arnold was a way higher ceiling, but also a lower floor, because often he doesn't run the play as its called, or misses his check downs because he's holding the ball too long. At some point you just have to put someone out there who will run whats calls and play within the offense instead of trying to play hero ball.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 4:51 pm to jt33
We have already seen Jackson’s ceiling, don’t fool yourself. He is who he is. No I don’t think Ashton is the best qb of all time, but if our team responds to him, and he gets the ball out, play him. The JA experiment is finished.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 5:02 pm to TailbackU
The pick 6 right before half time is a great illustration and summary of our poor coaching and poor execution throughout the season. As I understand it, it was an RPO. the receiver ran straight to the defender playing well off the ball and just stood there. All the defender had to do on the play was step in front of it and run like hell.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 5:31 pm to TallawekaTiger
The pick 6 right before half time is a great illustration and summary of our poor coaching and poor execution throughout the season.”
We had run the ball from the 25 to the 15. 70 yards of running and blocking. Hew had to throw because he’s a fricking idiot.
“ As I understand it, it was an RPO. the receiver ran straight to the defender playing well off the ball and just stood there. All the defender had to do on the play was step in front of it and run like hell”
All I know is “win inside and box them out” is a basic concept that evidently we don’t emphasize.
Turned a 14-10 deficit to 21-10 because:
1. Hew is too smart to stick with the run
2. We don’t coach the basics.
We had run the ball from the 25 to the 15. 70 yards of running and blocking. Hew had to throw because he’s a fricking idiot.
“ As I understand it, it was an RPO. the receiver ran straight to the defender playing well off the ball and just stood there. All the defender had to do on the play was step in front of it and run like hell”
All I know is “win inside and box them out” is a basic concept that evidently we don’t emphasize.
Turned a 14-10 deficit to 21-10 because:
1. Hew is too smart to stick with the run
2. We don’t coach the basics.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:35 pm to makersmark1
Agreed. And the receiver was loafing. Trotted out there and stopped at the defender.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 7:54 pm to TallawekaTiger
Look, JA was brought in as the guy. Ashton brought in as a back up in case something bad happens. Freshman brought in to groom for the future.
If it proves out Ashton is better than JA and should be starting, like so many things, it’s another indictment on Hugh. And you know he doesn’t want that and will look for an excuse to play JA.
If it proves out Ashton is better than JA and should be starting, like so many things, it’s another indictment on Hugh. And you know he doesn’t want that and will look for an excuse to play JA.
Posted on 10/28/25 at 10:01 pm to wareaglepete
They looked identical to me. I thought Daniels had the stronger arm and tended to prefer handing off instead of keeping it every time like Arnold does. I would prefer he start Daniels and put Arnold in to ‘save’ the day. Might boost his confidence.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:26 am to AUX3
Zac Blackerby says Ashton has been coming out first in QB drills.
Blackerby is a bitch. Has been a sensationalizing bitch and needs a real job so take this with a grain of salt.
Blackerby is a bitch. Has been a sensationalizing bitch and needs a real job so take this with a grain of salt.
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:52 am to AUCE05
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Outside of pissing us off, there is no reason to announce a starter.
It is true. It is irritating but why help Kentucky in the slightest?
Posted on 10/29/25 at 8:54 am to AUX3
I really feel Arnold really is "close" to being a serviceable SEC qb, but right now he is not. He has the tools but not the mindset. From what I saw the receivers especially played harder when Daniel's was in compared to Arnold. Jackson is at fault for the pick, but an aggressive receiver wouldnt have allowed the pick. I am guessing Daniel's is closer to the receivers than Arnold based on their energy against Arkansas
Posted on 10/29/25 at 9:21 pm to TailbackU
Let them compete and then let one with a hot hand stay in.
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