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Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:23 pm to metafour
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:23 pm to metafour
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Oh, you mean like every other school in this conference LMAO?
We are the only school that plays those three every year. Let me be clear though, I don’t think this is some insurmountable job that no good coach is going to want to take. I just think it is a tough job knowing you’re going to face those three every year (UT could say the same facing bama, uga, and UF every year) and dealing being in the same state as Saban.
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Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:24 pm to metafour
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On what planet is Auburn "one of the hardest coaching
jobs in the country"
This! I'll grant you, it isnt it the easiest job in the world, but it's a top 15 job in the most lucrative conference in America.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:25 pm to TailbackU
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but it's a top 15 job in the most lucrative conference in America.
This can still be true and it can still be a hard job. Hard job =/= bad job.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:33 pm to AA7
It's not Indiana University or Temple or Rutgers. Now THOSE are tough jobs
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:37 pm to LanierSpots
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What did we hear before the Auburn/Oregon game last year? "This is the most important game of the year for Oregon". The hardest game on their schedule. Hell, they were about our 5th hardest game.
And I forgot to ask. How did MC do in that game? He lost. With his Heisman QB and best offensive line in football. All against a true freshman QB and a soft offensive line
And he made some coaching blunders that hurt his team that if Gus would have made, this board would have melted to the ground
And yes he recruited well at Alabama but hell, who hasnt? Is not like its a hard sell to come there.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:41 pm to LanierSpots
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On planet Earth. Auburn constantly has the hardest or top 5 schedule in the country. And who are Auburns rivals on the field and on the recruiting trail? Alabama, Georgia and LSU. Our main rival? Alabama who happens to be in one of, if not the best, run in college football history.
Okay, and?
Auburn has had that schedule with those same opponents forever, and still has one of the best all-time records nationally. Even bad coaches have been able to navigate that schedule to successful seasons at Auburn.
Like I said; the fact that we play a hard schedule with difficult rivals is baked into the top-end perks that this job presents that those other "easier jobs" won't ever sniff. Any coach worth a shite should be up for the challenge, and they are: only Auburn fans have this pathetic view of their own program that no one wants to take this job.
And the expectations here are completely reasonable if not laughable. Our current coach is in year 8 and hasn't beaten ANY of the "three rivals" and he's still here collecting a king's ransom. Not only is he still here, he actually still somehow has supporters LMAO.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:47 pm to metafour
I’m not saying nobody would want it. They would and they should. It’s a great job. But being a great job doesn’t mean it’s not one of the hardest. It is.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:48 pm to LanierSpots
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And I forgot to ask. How did MC do in that game? He lost. With his Heisman QB and best offensive line in football. All against a true freshman QB and a soft offensive line
And he made some coaching blunders that hurt his team that if Gus would have made, this board would have melted to the ground
They barely lost and his team went on to win their conference against a higher ranked opponent and then won their Bowl game against another Top 10 ranked opponent. 11-win season.
It was one fricking game, LMAO. If we played that game later in the season they would have killed us. You understand that even Nick Saban has lost 3 times to our idiot HC, right? He even lost to Gene Chizik.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:52 pm to metafour
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They barely lost
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It was one fricking game
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If we played that game later in the season they would have killed us.
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You understand that even Nick Saban has lost 3 times to our idiot HC, right?
I mean if it was just one game then he would fit your criteria. But he beat him 3 times. Maybe more than a idiot? Just a thought
He had coaching blunders in that game that you guys would have been furious with. He also plays in a area when he barely plays anyone with a damn pulse. If he had these type games day in and day out, do you think Oregon would be ranked as high?
I am pointing out facts, you are making excuses. WE need to remove Gus. There is no question. But lets not pay a 30 million dollar coaching buy out to a guy who could not even beat him on a neutral field with what we hear was a better team
This post was edited on 10/19/20 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:53 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Not if he made them once a season, against top competition.
And I forgot to ask. How did MC do in that game? He lost. With his Heisman QB and best offensive line in football. All against a true freshman QB and a soft offensive line
And he made some coaching blunders that hurt his team that if Gus would have made, this board would have melted to the ground
That said, the only questionable decision he made was going for it on 4th down late in the game near midfield while nursing a lead. You may recall others.
However, I disagree completely with the head-to-head single game result being the last word on relative strengths and weaknesses of leading a major college program.
Here's a list of guys that beat Gustav in their only meetings:
Gary Andersen
Scott Frost
Jeremy Pruitt
Will Muschamp
You could probably throw in Sam Pittman too, if not for an inadvertent whistle on a clear fumble. But that still makes Gustav a better HC than him, though, right?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:55 pm to LanierSpots
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I’m not saying nobody would want it. They would and they should. It’s a great job. But being a great job doesn’t mean it’s not one of the hardest. It is.
Its not.
The things that make this job hard are things that a good coach has control over - wins and losses. Having harder opponents is a football-only issue.
A job like Texas requires god-level navigation of off-field BS that no FOOTBALL coach should have to deal with. The job "on paper" is easy as frick: incredible resources, fertile recruiting ground and a program that recruits itself, easy as frick schedule/opponents. Why don't they succeed then? They don't succeed because 90% of that job depends on the coach micromanaging billionaires and playing politics off of the field. That is MUCH more difficult than "blah blah blah SEC West schedule". Period.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:56 pm to FearlessFreep
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You may recall others.
He wasted 2 time outs on the play where his QB lost his helmet because he did not even know the rule. He looked like a idiot. Those two time outs would have probably gave him time at the end of the game to possibly win. They were past mid field.
If Gus or any other Auburn coach made that mistake, it would have been fun around here. Hell, yall melted last week over a non time out call that didnt do crap. LOL.
We are talking about paying out 30 million to change to him.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 12:58 pm to FearlessFreep
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Here's a list of guys that beat Gustav in their only meetings:
Gary Andersen
Scott Frost
Jeremy Pruitt
Will Muschamp
But we are not talking about replacing any of those guys with Gus. We are talking about MC.
And Saban lost to the guy at Lousianna Tech but Id take Saban over him. LOL. And yes, I get what you are saying but he lost the most important game on his schedule to the guy you want to replace with him with the discussed circumstances.
Lets just look at some other guys
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:03 pm to LanierSpots
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And yes, I get what you are saying but he lost the most important game on his schedule to the guy you want to replace with him with the discussed circumstances.
The most important game on their schedule was against #5 Utah in the Conference Championship. They won 37-15.
Nobody gives a shite about the first game of the season in retrospect. The true mark of any of these coaches is how they close and finish seasons. Is that not where the actual pressure is? Why is it that you think we play Alabama in the final game of the season, and not the first game?
We beat Oregon and lost to Minnesota in our final game. They killed a Top 5 opponent, won their conference, and then beat another Top 10 school in their Bowl game. Thats the guy you don't want to hire?
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:03 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Agreed. I just don't think we should dismiss Cristobal on the basis of his only game against AU.
Lets just look at some other guys
This thread is making me depressed, thinking about how excited I was for the future after that game
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:06 pm to LanierSpots
Agree Spots I will go on record as I do not want the Lane Train that's just a problem waiting to happen and do not want Hugh Freeze quite frankly. I think we are stuck with Gus for 2021. Yall watch and see that if we tell Gustav to frick off it will be some a-hole like Rhett Lashlee. 
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:13 pm to metafour
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Nobody gives a shite about the first game of the season in retrospect.
Ok man. I will just quit on that one. Not much you and I can agree on with this topic. LOL.
Have a good one.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:24 pm to LanierSpots
Didnt wirly bird come in the first game of the season with 2 top 10 teams playing. Seems we still hear about that every day on here somewhere. First games seem to mean a lot if it supports your opinion.
I like Cristobal and think he would be an upgrade overall but he did get out coached by Gus on that day. Hell Gus has out coached Saban multiple times.
It'll happen guys Gus will be gone. Why fret over it? Is anyone here a mega donor? Next coach will get his grace period and when he's 0-6 vs bama and uga we will hear all again how stupid and idiotic the coach is.
I like Cristobal and think he would be an upgrade overall but he did get out coached by Gus on that day. Hell Gus has out coached Saban multiple times.
It'll happen guys Gus will be gone. Why fret over it? Is anyone here a mega donor? Next coach will get his grace period and when he's 0-6 vs bama and uga we will hear all again how stupid and idiotic the coach is.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:32 pm to LanierSpots
There isn’t any shortage of coaches who will stand in line for an interview for an SEC West job. Period. To claim the opposite is like saying there is a shortage of guys who want to be neurosurgeons or astronauts. The difficulty of the job isn’t daunting to them. They thrive on it.
Posted on 10/19/20 at 1:59 pm to LanierSpots
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Ok man. I will just quit on that one. Not much you and I can agree on with this topic. LOL.
Have a good one.
No, I'm really curious as to what your actual point is because it doesn't make any sense. Your claim is that the first game of the season vs. #16 Auburn was "more important" for Oregon than the PAC10 Title game at the end of the season vs. #5 Utah? What? Not only was Utah a higher ranked opponent than we were, but that game had actual implications on the line. What exactly is your argument? Their Bowl game against #8 Wisconsin was also a more pivotal game. Do you believe that 10 years from now Oregon fans are going to see that 12-2 season, and remember losing to us? Their loss vs. Arizona State was actually considerably more pivotal because it put them out of playoff contention.
Your point would only hold any water if we had completely embarrassed Oregon - which we didn't do. Given how the rest of their season played out versus ours, it would seem to me that "opening game randomness" played a bigger part in us beating them than any inferred incompetency by Cristobal.
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