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Reason why JS is struggling in New England
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/17/21 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:00 am to AUCE05
It's no secret that GM's offense wasn't good or easy on the QB, as in it did not put them in a position to either develop or succeed. Which is why it was always mind numbing that he wouldn't just look for stud athletes like Nick Marshall to put back there, keep it simple, and make plays. Not that NM's grow on trees.. but it never made any sense to me that there wasn't more of an attempt at finding them.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:01 am to AUCE05
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Gus Malzahn’s offense at Auburn (where Stidham spent one season before coming to New England) I think is even further from the NFL than Art Briles'. ... What they expect you to know at Auburn for offense is the furthest thing from NFL offenses. Then I think the Patriots offense is the most complex.
" ... The gap he had to make up was the most significant gap I’ve seen. Out of anybody I’ve trained for the NFL Draft -- and I’ve trained over 35 guys and 10 of them started as rookies, I do this every year -- I’ve never seen a gap like that."
Ouch.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:01 am to AUCE05
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"Gus Malzahn’s offense at Auburn (where Stidham spent one season before coming to New England)
Well, it was actually 2 seasons...
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:23 am to AUCE05
They blamed Art Briles too Basically a one-two punch of suck for Stidham. Though, he has plenty of his own issues as well. Just didn’t have the system or coaching to overcome all of it
We’ve known this, though. Gus’s offense was a bad primer for the NFL if you’re a QB or OL.
We’ve known this, though. Gus’s offense was a bad primer for the NFL if you’re a QB or OL.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:32 am to auburnnyc94
quote:I think some of us (myself included) owe our friend Lanier an apology.
Which is why it was always mind numbing that he wouldn't just look for stud athletes like Nick Marshall to put back there, keep it simple, and make plays.
This was his contention way back when we signed Stidham. He was right.
Mea culpa, buddy.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:35 am to AUCE05
At some point you have to stop blaming your coaches and just start looking inward. He has spent two years now in the NFL - Gus can’t be blamed any longer.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:58 am to TheJones
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Gus’s offense was a bad primer for the NFL if you’re a QB or OL.
Yep, and why OL stopped committing to us. Easy to recruit against over shitty NFL prep .
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:17 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
It seem that we could get over the Gus hating. He is no longer our coach get over it.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:53 pm to AUCE05
Anybody hear the Flash talk about how he thanked Darius Slayton for proving the wide receivers can play in the NFL despite the college system? Lot of this falls on Gus.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 1:02 pm to auburn22
quote:I don’t personally hate Gustav. He provided us with some of our most memorable moments, and an SEC Championship.
It seem that we could get over the Gus hating. He is no longer our coach get over it.
But it’s painfully clear he didn’t adapt his system to the kind of players he was recruiting, and spent the better part of his last three seasons trying to shove square pegs into round holes, which a) translated to poor performance at the collegiate level and 2) failed to prepare his talented players for NFL careers.
It’s not hateful to acknowledge the truth.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 1:04 pm to AUCE05
Gus is gone... Lets see improvement.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 3:35 pm to auburn22
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It seem that we could get over the Gus hating. He is no longer our coach get over it.
You can just skip the threads and posts that cut you deep over Gus.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 3:36 pm to FearlessFreep
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It’s not hateful to acknowledge the truth.
Exactly
Posted on 3/17/21 at 3:48 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Cant argue with the logic but......The Pat's knew where Cam and Stidham came from and the systems they played under. It's not like they don't interview, research and talk football with the players they sign. Sounds a little like covering for Bill and the Pats here too. I mean the genius should have known their limitations...right?
Posted on 3/17/21 at 3:53 pm to Tickytiger
Cam had 9 years of NFL production to go off of before the Pats signed him and was coming off of an injury, which led to him getting the deals he's gotten.
Stidham was drafted in the 4th round when the team still had TB12 and they weren't planning on him playing immediately.
Plus the Pats had way bigger problems than QB play last year. Hence why they've been very un-Pats-like in FA so far.
Stidham was drafted in the 4th round when the team still had TB12 and they weren't planning on him playing immediately.
Plus the Pats had way bigger problems than QB play last year. Hence why they've been very un-Pats-like in FA so far.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:06 pm to Tickytiger
Don't disagree with you at all on your points, but I wasn't even commenting on the QB's or to the OP. I responded to Jonesy about the OL.
Shame on any NFL team that doesn't do their due diligence before drafting a player.
Shame on any NFL team that doesn't do their due diligence before drafting a player.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 4:58 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Weird Cam had all these issues according to Gruden about language and play calls as well. He went on to a Superbowl and won league MVP.
I've tried to explain a million times the reads for Gus' offense. It's a numbers based read for the QB. If 2 is covering 2 on one side and 3 is covering 2 on the other then your primary read will be on the 2 covering 2. Generally Gus's routes were timing routes and not read routes like many NFL teams do. NFL has taken some of the numbers reads and also incorporated "putting defensive players in conflict". That's where Gus suffered the worst in the pass game. He didn't appear to have any read routes for the WRs. Except for trying to "trick" the defense he didn't seem to put defensive backs in conflict for who to cover.
Also did Stidham say this or some coach that worked with Stidham and he's not lived up to what the coach wanted for Stidham. Stidham has always has a bad habit of throwing to the other team especially in the NFL. Seems the coach is trying to pass the buck to someone else for his own failures.
This is in no way an endorsement of Gus as a QB developer. Just informational. Also find it crazy outside of the record on the road against our rivals up until the past couple years when we had a closer talent gap to Bama, LSU, and UGA we were competitive.
I will accept the bad recruiting on the OL. But what OL have we signed that was sure fire NFL player that didn't make it even under Gus?
Anyway, like someone said earlier. Gus is gone. It's a new era. It's time to move on to bitching about how much we are paying our OL and DL coach when the players struggle.
I've tried to explain a million times the reads for Gus' offense. It's a numbers based read for the QB. If 2 is covering 2 on one side and 3 is covering 2 on the other then your primary read will be on the 2 covering 2. Generally Gus's routes were timing routes and not read routes like many NFL teams do. NFL has taken some of the numbers reads and also incorporated "putting defensive players in conflict". That's where Gus suffered the worst in the pass game. He didn't appear to have any read routes for the WRs. Except for trying to "trick" the defense he didn't seem to put defensive backs in conflict for who to cover.
Also did Stidham say this or some coach that worked with Stidham and he's not lived up to what the coach wanted for Stidham. Stidham has always has a bad habit of throwing to the other team especially in the NFL. Seems the coach is trying to pass the buck to someone else for his own failures.
This is in no way an endorsement of Gus as a QB developer. Just informational. Also find it crazy outside of the record on the road against our rivals up until the past couple years when we had a closer talent gap to Bama, LSU, and UGA we were competitive.
I will accept the bad recruiting on the OL. But what OL have we signed that was sure fire NFL player that didn't make it even under Gus?
Anyway, like someone said earlier. Gus is gone. It's a new era. It's time to move on to bitching about how much we are paying our OL and DL coach when the players struggle.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 5:49 pm to CorchJay
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But what OL have we signed that was sure fire NFL player that didn't make it even under Gus?
A sure fire NFL player at OL doesn't exist coming out of HS. It requires intense development - and one of the most important parts - the NFL requires OL to be wicked smart and to be able to read everything about the defense: formations, blitz pickups, who's covering who, etc, etc. Like everything relating to the offense, the OL scheme here was comically simple and underdeveloped to make "going fast" work. His entire principal is: go fast, so give the players as little to think about as possible in order to make that possible. The NFL obviously works in the exact opposite manner in that everything is extremely complex. So the guys we had at OL were dead on arrival because its like trying to jump from Grade 6 math to University calculus overnight. Greg Robinson was drafted 2nd overall and is one of the most physically gifted OL to come out of College and he couldn't hang because he literally struggled with understanding the position and his responsibilities.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 6:13 pm to CorchJay
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what OL have we signed that was sure fire NFL player
What does that even mean?
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Gus is gone. It's a new era. It's time to move on
It's a discussion that will happen when it includes Auburn whether it's a coach or player, current or former.
Gus is part of our coaching history and the most recent one at that. He is responsible for personnel on our roster. Some good and some not. He will be discussed for a bit. You can choose not to engage in the thread or posts that discuss Gus. It's a really simple deal to do that.
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 6:14 pm
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