re: Old Recruiting Thread: RIP insiders

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they said you could have the player as a PWO and pay his tuition through the NIL.

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I’m sure you could supplement the cost of tuition through NIL but that’s likely a hard sell unless you’re one of the teams in the playoffs every year.

It’s still money out of their pockets they could have kept if they were on scholarship, not near as cost effective as just giving a kid a scholarship I would imagine, and very few teams are that hard pressed on their 85 spots. Only about half the guys on the roster are actually contending for significant minutes.

ETA: I think it might work on guys whose best offers are small G5 schools but that’s it. Even then it’s likely still not an easy sell if you’re actually being honest with them about what they could expect from NIL. Might have worked with Jenkins this class but I think once Caddy offered him it likely changed his expectations.

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I asked what the roster limit was too, and was told 85.

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Roster limit is 105

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Question regarding NIL and schollys. I heard a discussion on a podcast and they were referring to the 85 limit and they said you could have the player as a PWO and pay his tuition through the NIL.

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So, purely theoretically, all 85 could possibly garner enough NLI for rent, a car, and school?


That's 'muy dinero' indeed... and looking at the salary for top 10 staff; that* could separate or part the waters on different leagues.

(*if true)

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Question regarding NIL and schollys. I heard a discussion on a podcast and they were referring to the 85 limit and they said you could have the player as a PWO and pay his tuition through the NIL.

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This is theoretically possible, but it doesn't make any sense from a cost-benefit perspective because your NIL money can be much better utilized by loading up on players who will actually see the field.

There isn't a single team in the country that has 85 scholarship players who ALL are irreplaceable on the roster. Not even Georgia or Alabama. So if you're already at the 85 limit but you really want to add some other player, it makes much more sense to just process out someone already on the roster who is not living up to expectations as opposed to wasting your NIL money to pay that player you really want to "walk on".

Georgia isn't winning back to back titles because their scholarship #75-#85 players are better than everyone else's. Those guys on the roster don't even see the field. Georgia is winning because their starting lineup and two-deep are better than everyone else's.

So if you have a finite amount of NIL money (which every team does), your best use for it is to pay out the actual difference maker positions on the field as well as the best recruits you can find. If you theoretically had $250K sitting around, it's a complete waste to pay some guy to be a "walk on" (ie: hypothetical scholarship #86 on the roster) as opposed to using that $250K to upgrade your weakest position in the starting lineup, and just telling some underachiever on your current roster to bounce so you have a scholarship spot open.

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Preferred walkon is the tricky one I think that is limited to 5 per team unless increased recently. Walkons can’t practice with the team except when school is in session. So they can’t do team drills in the summer. Preferred walkons can are also allowed to eat with the team like a regular scholarship player. However they don’t have their tuition paid until moved to a full scholarship player.

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And they’re guaranteed a roster spot unlike other walk ons.

It's Junior Day today - let's go!

I understand your point meta, there will always be 50 or 60 that contribute and others that dont. However lets not confuse a permutation with a combination.

No matter how good my recruiting is, if you ask any team if they will have better success with initially having 105 fully funded players versus 85 and the answer will be yes. You can always move them from NIL to scholly as you "manage" your roster.

Financing is a different animal altogether. When a team becomes prominent the endowments flow, not just to athletics, but the university, and the individual schools as well, I know I saw it when Pat Dye became coach at Auburn. Now how the university "helps" the athletics dept is murky at best. But they can sure help fund things that will free up NIL money for specifically NIL contracts so boosters are not emptying their pockets on construction projects.

For the record I hate the NIL the way it is a free for all now.

And I apologize for taking the thread away from today's festivities. Sorrry.

We won’t hear much until the end of the day. Will be busy with the tour and talking with position and regional recruiters. Play meeting the recruiting staff members. Today is about showing the players around and all the fluff.

If they return in the spring they get more detailed. If they return in the fall they get to learn more about the academic side.

That’s usually how it goes.

Interesting bit from an article on Saban and the NIL that is on Fox today....

"One of them wanted $500,000 and for us to get his girlfriend into law school at Alabama and pay for it. I showed him the door," Saban reportedly said.

It's unknown who Saban was referring to. He did not mention names or schools, but it's possible he was talking about Javion Cohen, who transferred to Miami.