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re: Matt Rhule has been fired
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:53 am to TemperdTiger
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:53 am to TemperdTiger
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I don't think it was dumb luck, I think they researched the heck out of every option. I feel like this is Rose (NFL) colored lenses syndrome.
It’s dumb luck that a candidate like that was available
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:53 am to TemperdTiger
quote:Because we have to get out of the basement first before we can court an elite candidate as easily as you perceive we should be able to.
Why can't we ask for more and not be live in the bottom feeders basement? Answer me that?
Matt Rhule is not a world-beater and there are no world-beaters out there right now (without significant baggage and risk).
What Rhule has going for him:
1. He has proven he can take COLLEGE teams from the proverbial basement and created winning programs. Auburn needs just that because, to your point, we are absolutely living in the basement currently.
2. He has proved he can hire quality assistants. Someone else posted in the Harsin Replacement thread a list of guys that have had tremendous success after their tenure under Rhule.
3. He's now got an NFL stint under his belt and it did not go according to plan (sound familiar?). If he has success and builds this program back to a contender, we can feel comfortable about him not jumping again.
There are drawbacks to hiring Matt Rhule as HC, absolutely. But the candidate you have in mind does not exist and even if they did, Auburn does not have the pull to attract them to the Plains.
Additionally, just because there isn't someone out there that meets your criteria doesn't mean we should just sit tidy under Harsin.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:55 am to TemperdTiger
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How the fans felt about him the 3 seasons he was there. I'm seeing a bunch of thank gods from them.
Do you remember Miami fan reactions when Saban left them?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:56 am to FearlessFreep
If Rhule doesn’t go to the NFL and struggle he would appear to be a homerun hire based off what he did in college.
Someone said it earlier but every hire is going to come with a definite level of risk. The one legitimate concern with Rhule is can he recruit the SE, and specifically does he understand the importance of recruiting and what it takes to go against the big dogs. Those are things you can get somewhat of an understanding of in an interview but it’s still theory until he actually shows it.
Someone said it earlier but every hire is going to come with a definite level of risk. The one legitimate concern with Rhule is can he recruit the SE, and specifically does he understand the importance of recruiting and what it takes to go against the big dogs. Those are things you can get somewhat of an understanding of in an interview but it’s still theory until he actually shows it.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:58 am to marshallcotiger
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I prefer LK but I know the reality of his contract makes that a long shot. Rhule is the best of the rest that I've seen mentioned
This is kind of where I am too
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:01 pm to TemperdTiger
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Why don't you frickheads tell me how well he was at his job in Carolina. How the fans felt about him the 3 seasons he was there. I'm seeing a bunch of thank gods from them.
You literally haven't made one relevant or smart point as an objection. Not one.
I like your ability to play with statistics over small sample sizes to make him look average. Dude posts his 3-year total record at Baylor knowing that it looks "bad" because he inherited a complete dumpster fire and had to endure a 1-win season, which obviously heavily weighs down his overall record LMAO.
Here's why your stats are dumb, guy:
Pretend Coach #1
Year One: 1-11
Year Two: 8-5
Year Three: 12-1
Total Record: 21-17 (55% win percentage)
Pretend Coach #2
Year One: 6-7
Year Two: 8-5
Year Three: 7-6
Total Record: 21-18 (54% win percentage)
If you were to look at overall record, these two coaches look barely distinguishable from each other. But which one do you think is on the better track or path? Are they completely equal coaches? I mean the overall records are nearly identical. Or is the guy going from 1 win, to 8 wins, to 12 wins clearly head and shoulders over the other guy?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:22 pm to TemperdTiger
Here's another opinion on Rhule:
And another:
- Chuck Carlton, Dallas Morning News
Now let's hear from his former players:
But no, we should listen to anonymous fans and minimum-wage staffers who think he's an a-hole because he asked them to avoid the players' areas during COVID.
quote:- Mac Engel, Fort Worth Star-Telegram
"There is no coach in college football who accomplished more in such a short amount of time than what Matt Rhule did at Baylor."
And another:
quote:
In some ways, Rhule’s departure was a matter of time. He simply did too good a job of taking Baylor from 11 losses in 2017 to 11 wins this season, becoming a red-hot coaching property.
“We are grateful to Matt Rhule for all that he has done for Baylor football and for the university over the last three years,”(Baylor AD Mack) Rhoades said in a statement. “Together, he and his staff have moved the program forward both on and off the field...Matt’s time with Baylor marks one of the greatest turnarounds in college football history. Our football program’s success this year is evidence that we are headed in the right direction with 11 wins, an appearance in the Big 12 championship game and the Sugar Bowl.”
- Chuck Carlton, Dallas Morning News
Now let's hear from his former players:
quote:- Max Henson, panthers.com
So what would Mims and Hasty tell Panthers players about what it's like to be coached by Rhule?
"I would tell them it will be the best thing ever," Mims said. "Matt Rhule is all about his business. He is going to do whatever he can to make sure his players are in the best situation. Y'all will hear him yell a lot. But he's very loving.
"He's going to coach you hard every day. That style builds character. I enjoyed every moment I had with him."
Said Hasty: "He's definitely going to get the best out of you. He'll definitely push you. And he's going to make you a better person as well."
But no, we should listen to anonymous fans and minimum-wage staffers who think he's an a-hole because he asked them to avoid the players' areas during COVID.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:26 pm to metafour
Dude admitted he was trolling in the other thread. Just ignore him.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:44 pm to AA7
quote:Damnit.
Dude admitted he was trolling in the other thread. Just ignore him.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:49 pm to Niner
He won’t be on the market long, make him say no Auburn
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:50 pm to AA7
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If Rhule doesn’t go to the NFL and struggle he would appear to be a homerun hire based off what he did in college
I don’t think many people understand just how different a beast coaching in the NFL really is compared to college.
Can you imagine basing your opinion of Steve Spurrier off of his NFL record.
I’m not suggesting Matt Rhule is as accomplished in college as Spurrier, just pointing out that it’s dumb to bag on a guy when his stint in the NFL didn’t pan out.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:56 pm to FearlessFreep
One other important fact about Rhule.
Auburn would be the best coach job he has ever had.
Most competitive.
Most fan support.
Most resources.
Make the man say no. Do it now.
Auburn would be the best coach job he has ever had.
Most competitive.
Most fan support.
Most resources.
Make the man say no. Do it now.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 12:57 pm to SECdragonmaster
And we can pay him more than Caroline.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:12 pm to TemperdTiger
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the Obvious choice:
NFL: 11–27 (.289)
NCAA: 47–43 (.522)
Bowls: 1–2 (.333)
0-11 vs ranked teams (.000)
Obvious choice....yikes
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:16 pm to Poker Dough
He's the official Auburn SEC Rant best option
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:20 pm to TemperdTiger
We are used to hiring solidly average coaches. When did we lower those standards?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:27 pm to TemperdTiger
He’s only a possible option
He’s far superior to any option you have mentioned. Oh wait, that’s right, you have mentioned none. Only that you want a home run hire that you seem to not be able to define.
But keep on being smug.
My other options not named Kiffin, Freeze,etc. also most likely not going to get.
Sonny Dykes
Dave Aranda
Luke Fickell ( but might be a risk at recruiting in the South)
He’s far superior to any option you have mentioned. Oh wait, that’s right, you have mentioned none. Only that you want a home run hire that you seem to not be able to define.
But keep on being smug.
My other options not named Kiffin, Freeze,etc. also most likely not going to get.
Sonny Dykes
Dave Aranda
Luke Fickell ( but might be a risk at recruiting in the South)
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:30 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Here are names I'd like.
Lane
Deion
Aranda
Mike O'Shea
Freeze
Grimes
People who've never watched football
BoB
Bill Clark
Lane
Deion
Aranda
Mike O'Shea
Freeze
Grimes
People who've never watched football
BoB
Bill Clark
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:32 pm to Poker Dough
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Deion
Interesting but Rhule is a huge risk.
I can agree on your last part of your comment and agree with Aranda.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 1:36 pm to Poker Dough
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0-11 vs ranked teams (.000)
Obvious choice....yikes
It's a faulty stat, man. He was only there for thee years. The first two years were quite clearly heavy rebuilding years and should be excluded from that type of analysis. In year #3 they won 11-games and he lost to all three of the ranked opponents they played, but look at the results and who those opponents were:
1) 3-point loss to Oklahoma
2) 7-point overtime loss to Oklahoma
3) 12-point loss to a 12-win Georgia team in their Bowl game.
Those are really close games against teams that have MUCH more talent than Baylor had (and quite frankly, will ever have). Baylor simply wasn't ready to compete at that level against that type of talent.
If you want to analyze things properly, you need perspective. You need to look at who the ranked teams were that they lost to, and what the talent discrepancy was like.
Look at the pre-game lines for those games:
1) Oklahoma -10.5 (lost by 3)
2) Oklahoma -9.5 (lost by 7 in OT)
3) Georgia -3.5 (lost by 12 - Baylor had 3 turnovers in this game to UGA's 0)
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