re: Let's say Hugh survives this year

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I think Hugh will bring in at least 1 new QB.

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Yeah, and if history repeats itself, it will be another overpaid shite QB. Thorne, Arnold, etc. Freeze has no idea what a good QB looks like.

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You have to bring in the HS QB or you do what we continue to do which is a disaster. Get one that is willing to learn for two years which is typically the case - see bama, UGA, Ohio state, Texas,

This renting a QB is not working for us

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This is such a wildly illogical take.

1) No type of QB has worked for us under Freeze. Walker White looked bad and then transferred. Deuce Knight looked bad, has made seemingly no progress towards getting onto the field despite the fact that we have a QB battle re-opening, and he may transfer. Hank Brown sucked and transferred. So I guess we shouldn't sign any HS QB's based off of your logic given that in 3 seasons under Freeze none of the ones we have signed have provided any actual value?

2) Most of the best teams are still being QB'd by rental QB's. Indiana has had back-to-back rentals QB's. Ohio State's QB during last year's championship season was a rental (Will Howard), and the team they beat was also fielding a rental (Notre Dame - Riley Leonard). OSU's current QB (Julian Sayin) is a different type of transfer, but he still wasn't signed by them out of HS. Oregon under Dan Lanning clearly started their current run of success on the backs of rental QB's: Bo Nix, Dillon Gabriel. Tennessee's success under Heupel has relied on rental QB's: Hendon Hooker, and now Joey Aguilar. Brent Venables' only two seasons of success at Oklahoma have come while fielding rental QB's: Dillon Gabriel, and now John Mateer. Kalen DeBoer doesn't even get the Alabama job without the success that came at Washington after they took rental QB Michael Penix from Indiana. Miami's resurgence under Cristobal would never have happened as fast as it did without the rental QB's that they brought in.

And by the way - all of the time that Texas spent waiting and developing Arch Manning has been a complete waste. They pushed a superior starter out the door (Ewers) and have gone backwards as they have hitched their wagon to an overrated HS prospect. They obviously would have been better off using their immense monetary resources to bring in a far superior QB to Manning who had proven results.

Signing and developing HS QB's can obviously still work, but you will notice that it relies on scenarios wherein the product of the HC is established and therefore there is job security. For one, established success by the HC makes it more likely that the HS QB is going to actually stick it out and wait his turn (as opposed to just bolting). And secondly, the job security of the HC is vital because it means that he can gamble on the success or failure of an unproven young QB: Ryan Day and Kirby Smart have enough goodwill to ride the uncertainty of Julian Sayin and Gunner Stockton, but this is a stupid proposition for someone like Hugh Freeze who never even established a baseline of success. The money and time spent recruiting Deuce Knight is a complete waste if the HC doesn't even survive long enough to actually even develop him. And also; if your offense sucks (which ours has) then why would Deuce Knight even want to stay here even if Freeze survives? He can just transfer to a school that has a proven offense. Julian Sayin was going to stick it out at Ohio State because their offensive dominance was already established and therefore you don't need to sell a young QB on waiting his turn. Hugh Freeze doesn't have that bargaining power.

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his current starter was an NR recruit out of highschool and a 3* transfer from DII

meanwhile Freezus has struggled getting even mediocre performance out of a 4* guy with an 11-win P5 season already under his belt, followed by a 5* who was considered one of the top prospects at his position going into college

dont think its just luck

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It is literally all coaching and scheme, or lack thereof. Period.

The book on Freeze and his offense is settled. Every QB will look worse than they are playing at Auburn under this current system. Whereas every QB will look better playing under Kiffin.

I don't want to bring Jville's goofy-arse back into this, but Freeze completely nerfed a proven P4 starter in Payton Thorne (who had two seasons wherein he was one of the highest rated QB's in the country by QBR) and the mental gymnastics that were used at the time to wave away Thorne's resume and pretend that he just sucked have proven to be just that: mental gymnastics. The real answer is that we run a broken and dated offense that is both poorly coached and executed, as well as easy to defend...and therefore any QB lining up under center will be playing at a disadvantage. The fact that some people still can't see this or accept it is wild.

Let this sink in: in 2022 during what was MSU's down season, Payton Thorne had a higher QBR than Diego Pavia. This kid had more than enough ability to execute some degree of a successful offense here with good coaching. But we clearly don't have good coaching - hence the results were what they were.

It's why we dont have quality QBs eager to sign up to play for Auburn. Freeze doesn't give the QBs an incentive to come here. They get paid to be a sacrificial lamb.

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He should have never been hired. I still don't get looking at his record & saying this it the guy we need.

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I'm with you on this. Nobody was beating down the doors at Liberty to hire Freeze. Given the lengthy leash Freeze has had here despite poor on-field results I'm strongly inclined to believe the hire was influenced by boosters looking at his wins against Alabama. No other real reason to pluck him out of his obscure coaching rehab stint.

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It is literally all coaching and scheme, or lack thereof. Period

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I agree with Metafour on this. I said it in another thread but given the sample size of 3 years we can pretty confidently say that any QB evaluated and brought in by Freeze is tainted goods - as there is zero improvement across the board.

Just heard a great quote attributed to former UF AD, Jeremy Foley: "What must be done inevitably, should be done immediately."

Extremely fitting for the Auburn and Freeze situation.

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It's why we dont have quality QBs eager to sign up to play for Auburn. Freeze doesn't give the QBs an incentive to come here. They get paid to be a sacrificial lamb.

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Bingo! We’ve heard for three years, why didn’t he get Cam Ward or this guy or that guy from the portal. He may have tried.

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Foley is one of the best to ever do it at the AD level though

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Meh..

He did hire Kevin O'Sullivan and he did get lucky with Billy Donovan.

No credit for Urban Meyer as the President of Utah brought Urban Myer in with him.

O'Sullivan and Donovan hires get completely nullified by the worst hire ever - Ron Zook (directly after the Spurrier era).

Had the other assortment of "bad" football hires that all other ADs have.

Let the facilities at a wealthy university become almost the worst in the SEC.

Pretty much a normal AD who played the trial and error game like all others, but had the privilege to ride the Spurrier wave.

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Pretty much a normal AD who played the trial and error game like all others, but had the privilege to ride the Spurrier wave.

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He oversaw the only AD to ever win a football and basketball natty in a calendar year. That mid 2000s run Florida had was elite.

Could have had a sweep of the Big 3 sports but he stepped down in November before the baseball season started a few months later when they won a CWS.

Yall can call him "lucky" all you want, but he hired 3 national championship coaches in the Big 3 sports. Im sure UF has won titles in olympic sports as well. Plus he still has significant sway over the AD that just won another basketball title. Every Auburn fan would kill for the trophies he presided over.