re: I've said this before, I'll say it again about our fanbase...

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Are you under the impression that doing bad in year 1&2 is actually better than doing well? This is such a bizarre line of thought. Furthermore, the only Coach Auburn has had who was good in year 1&2 and fired by year 5 was Chizik.

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Bowden was 11-0 in 93, gone in 98.
Gus was kept 3 years too long
Harsin was a mistake

Again... Do I like being 3-6? NO. Do I see why? I do. Do I think if given time, it can/will be great. Yes.

And thats that. Feel how you want, I'll know what I know. Thank you for your commentary.

93-98 is 6 seasons, and Bowden resigned anyway. Gus wasn’t fired by year 5. Harsin wasn’t good in year 1&2.

These were your criteria, just like the championship game thing (that then became the SECCG when you realized you were wrong).

You can believe Freeze will turn it around, that’s fine. I hope he does, but the evidence we have right now points to things not working out.

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the evidence we have right now points to things not working out.

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Does it?

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Nice... Any of these guys even been to a conference championship game??

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The fact that you completely missed the point is mind blowing.

The point is that even the coaches who can't "get to a conference championship game" were able to drastically improve their team (in terms of WINS) from year one to year two. I am giving a general listing coaches who are deemed to have been a success at their respective school. I assume that you are smart enough to understand that not every school in the SEC actually has the capacity to even get to a conference championship; so Franklin at Vanderbilt is obviously a huge success (hence why Penn State hired him away).

So what hope do you possibly have in a coach who actually somehow found a way to coach a team to a worse record in year two, with more of his own players and staff on the roster? shite, do you not realize that we are going to win fewer games this year than we did in the season where Harsin got fired and Will Friend became the impromptu OC? To lose more games in year two than you did in year one means that you have failed from a coaching perspective. If you have failed from a coaching perspective that early in your tenure, then it is highly unlikely that the situation will rebound. Most SEC coaches have the bulk of their success early, before they either burn out or people start finding out ways to counter what they are good at. Then they start declining and eventually get fired and replaced. With Freeze, you are seeing a guy who's team has declined at the very damn beginning of his tenure. He just got here and we are having philosophical discussions on whether he should call the offense or not. THAT IS BAD.

Like open your damn eyes, man. Even just listen to what Freeze says. He spent ~1.5 years basically implying that the key to winning games is just recruiting talent. He ACTUALLY seems to believe that you just recruit a baseline level of "HS talent", and *poof* it just magically equates to wins on the field. Anyone who knows anything about how difficult the competition in this conference is should be mortified by the fact that our HC seemed to be under the impression that he didn't need to coach at all in his 1st season on the job.

Take his statements about how he thinks a winner is built, and then compare it to the fact that our team in year two has ZERO idea how to play winning football. Why would you or anyone else be surprised that our team is incapable of playing "winning football", when the HC in charge thinks that winning is just a matter or putting 5-star talent on the field. We are almost at the end of Cam Coleman's freshman season, and he STILL doesn't know what run blocking is. He had another play just a few days ago where he got caught just standing and looking at the guy he was supposed to be blocking. You still need to coach basic winning football, even to a 5-star talent.

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It's too much to even type. But you guys are right. Bring in a new guy, watch all the good young talent leave, watch the recruiting classes dissipate, and watch us be having this same convo around this same time in 2026 he's struggling in YEAR 2 of a rebuild. That's become The Auburn Brand.

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I think we all have gotten too crazy about it. Me saying you’re not Auburn man, you threatening to knock me out. It’s silly,
I don’t think anyone knows what will happen, but I’m just going sit back and see what happens and hope for the best. At the end of the day, we can all scream whatever opinion, but it won’t change what ultimately happens.

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I think we all have gotten too crazy about it. Me saying you’re not Auburn man, you threatening to knock me out. It’s silly,
I don’t think anyone knows what will happen, but I’m just going sit back and see what happens and hope for the best. At the end of the day, we can all scream whatever opinion, but it won’t change what ultimately happens.

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You got real personal with me over a FOOTBALL OPINION... I reciprocated.

Bottom line is this... I know FOR SURE if they fire Hugh, we'll be right back here having this same convo about whoever in 2 years. I guarantee that. He's bringing talent. He's in games. Our upperclassmen just ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO CREATE WINS. Nobody steps up AS A SENIOR and makes winning plays at winning time. That can't be coached. You have it or you don't.

Talk about Freeze without excuses for every result he’s had. Dude has lost at least 3 games where he had waaay more talent. He will always do that. Or else he’s not trying to win right now

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Dude has lost at least 3 games where he had waaay more talent.

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Agree that we had more talent. Unfortunately most of our real talent is in the FR & SO realm. Teams with solid JR & SR leadership with decent talent can win those. Look at our talent last year and we took a highly talented bama team down to the last play...

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Expecting drastic improvement in year 2, after the program was hit like it was given the death penalty, seems to be group think with the common fan. Almost every coach someone can name that showed improvement in year two, had something much better to build on than what Freeze walked into. Has Freeze made mistakes? Yes? All coaches do. Did Freeze walk into a program almost devoid of competitive SEC talent? Yes! How many true freshmen and RS freshmen are playing very significant snaps every game as opposed to our opponents? That alone should speak volumes on the state of our program. If this season is depressing, as it should be, then take solice that good times are ahead. We are pulling in recruits in a fashion that has not been seen in a very long time. It's always darkest before the dawn.

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Nice attempted gaslighting.

The "realistic" and reasonable expectation going into this season was 7 wins. That is only 1 more win than last season, with an easier schedule. That expectation makes complete logical sense, given the fact that there is more "talent" on the roster AND you would expect last year's players would improve in year two of the coaching system. In case you forgot, 6 wins last year was actually a flop considering that they lost to New Mexico State (as 20+ point favorites) and choked away a win against Bama. I can go even further: you would reasonably expect at least one more win than last season because Freeze allegedly fixed the "problem" on offense and not only brought in more coaches that he had familiarity with, but also took over play-calling. If he is an offensive wizard, then that alone should produce 1 more win.

Now, you want to act like an idiot and change reality and pretend like ~4 wins was the reasonable best expectation for year two? What? Who are you lying to? I'll light your goofy arse up.

Your true freshman argument doesn't even make sense. ~80% of the true freshmen and redshirt freshmen who are playing, are on the defensive side of the football. The defense is actually playing extremely well: they are ranked 23rd in scoring defense, and 21st in total defense nationally. You are trying to argue that true freshmen playing means that we must be bad; but the side of the football that has the true freshmen playing is actually not struggling at all. Coleman and Simmons are the only true freshmen that get any real snaps on offense; the rest of that side of the field is extremely upperclassmen heavy, and they are the reason why this team is as bad as it is. The offense is also the head coaches "specialty", so them being both experienced AND bad is the true proof as to how badly Freeze has failed in terms of coaching. Everyone knows that he has zero input on the defense. So the side of the football that is actually improving and playing well, is the one that he has no involvement with.

Still going strong on Tuesday alright yea..