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re: I've said this before, I'll say it again about our fanbase...
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:49 pm to metafour
Posted on 11/4/24 at 8:49 pm to metafour
James Franklin @ Vanderbilt:
6-7 in year one, 9-4 in year two.
Don't anyone DARE try to suggest that Freeze inherited a "harder situation" than whatever Franklin walked into at Vandy.
The year two thing is like a rule in this conference. Go look at essentially any coach who has succeeded in this conference: regardless of how many games they won in year one, year two is almost always a multi-win improvement.
Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss:
5-5 in year one, 10-3 in year two.
Mike Leach at MSU:
4-7 in year one, 7-6 in year two.
Dan Mullen at MSU:
5-7 in year one, 9-4 in year two.
ITS. LIKE. CLOCKWORK.
6-7 in year one, 9-4 in year two.
Don't anyone DARE try to suggest that Freeze inherited a "harder situation" than whatever Franklin walked into at Vandy.
The year two thing is like a rule in this conference. Go look at essentially any coach who has succeeded in this conference: regardless of how many games they won in year one, year two is almost always a multi-win improvement.
Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss:
5-5 in year one, 10-3 in year two.
Mike Leach at MSU:
4-7 in year one, 7-6 in year two.
Dan Mullen at MSU:
5-7 in year one, 9-4 in year two.
ITS. LIKE. CLOCKWORK.
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Posted on 11/4/24 at 9:30 pm to metafour
Honestly this is probably the most logical point I’ve read so far that made me feel like we might be moving on next year and if so that’s okay. I’ve been saying he gets three years. If he was recruiting like garbage he’d already be gone.
Posted on 11/4/24 at 9:33 pm to Mlove90
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If he was recruiting like garbage he’d already be gone
Posted on 11/4/24 at 9:42 pm to The_SwAUggford
Bobby Petrino at Arkansas:
5-7 in year one, 8-5 in year two.
Notice how I haven't even gone into the Nick Sabans and Urban Meyers? But yes, Saban also follows this "rule" at both LSU and Bama, as does Meyer at Florida, and Smart at UGA.
Josh Heupel at Tennessee:
7-6 in year one, 11-2 in year two.
This is basically your de facto litmus test as to whether or not a head coach in this conference is worth getting legitimately excited about, or not. The guys who are actually going to give you something to be happy about are going to show you in year two. No fricking excuses needed - it's like clockwork.
5-7 in year one, 8-5 in year two.
Notice how I haven't even gone into the Nick Sabans and Urban Meyers? But yes, Saban also follows this "rule" at both LSU and Bama, as does Meyer at Florida, and Smart at UGA.
Josh Heupel at Tennessee:
7-6 in year one, 11-2 in year two.
This is basically your de facto litmus test as to whether or not a head coach in this conference is worth getting legitimately excited about, or not. The guys who are actually going to give you something to be happy about are going to show you in year two. No fricking excuses needed - it's like clockwork.
This post was edited on 11/4/24 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 11/4/24 at 10:30 pm to greygoose
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Follow Tennessee's example, like a lot of our fans want, and we are looking at a 10-20 year rebuild!
Clearly Tennessee’s problem was not keeping shitty coaches like Dooley, Butch, and Proot around longer. They just needed more time to implement their plan like Freeze does, then UT could’ve avoided all those rough years!
Posted on 11/5/24 at 5:59 am to wareaglepete
quote:Ummm....remind me, why does Pruitt have show cause tattooed to his arse?
Umm, you do realize Pruitt was recruiting great?
quote:Heupel came from UCF and inherited Pruitt's ill-gotten recruits. Freeze on the overhand, jumped into a dumpster fire. On day one, he looked at his QB room and knew he had to hit the portal. Thorne was a proven starter with really good stats. Almost no one at the time, thought bringing in Thorne was a bad idea. Freeze did have a skilled, experienced defensive secondary his first year, but they are all gone now. Don't even get me started on OL recruiting for the 4 years prior to Freeze showing up!
And getting rid of him saved their program?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 6:02 am to greygoose
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Heupel came from UCF and inherited Pruitt's ill-gotten recruits.
We can make that happen for our next coach.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 6:33 am to wareaglepete
quote:Tater Tot and Gus say "Hey!"
We can make that happen for our next coach.
Every first year coach that has had initial success, inherited a competent roster. Hell, if we had either a decent QB, or a PK, our record would be a lot different right now.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 6:36 am to wareaglepete
quote:Vandy's 1st year coach raided his old school's roster of it's best talent, including it's seasoned QB. Vandy is going back to being Vandy, next season when all those guys are gone. Same thing with Sanders at Colorado. I'd be surprised if Sanders is even the coach there next season.
At the end of the day, Vandy is here. And you have to explain why they’re here, and we are floundering.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 6:42 am to thirdlawson
Agreed. 100%.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 7:31 am to metafour
Now, how many of those coaches came in with their entire junior and senior classes transferred out?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:01 am to jvilletiger25
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Now, how many of those coaches came in with their entire junior and senior classes transferred out?
The entire Junior and Senior class transferred out?
Dawg, Freeze had Marcus Harris, Jaylin Simpson, Nehemiah Pritchett, and Justin Rodgers on defense alone last year (plus others). All 4 of those players were drafted. On offense the best player (Hunter, who was a Junior) stayed and is still here. Eugene Asante was a Junior last season and had a good season. He brought in Jalen McLeod as a Junior, and he had a good season.
This past offseason he absolutely loaded up on EXPERIENCED Power 5 transfer portal players. If you are going to try to tell me that they all suck as an excuse, well then who's fault is that?
You guys can't argue worth shite. You are making excuses that Freeze himself doesn't agree with. During his liteteral introductory press conference he specifically mentioned that the turnaround should be quick because of the age of the transfer portal, and what that means in terms of "flipping the roster". He said that. Now we are almost at the end of year two and the team is somehow winning even less games than the one he inherited, and the argument is that he doesn't have a Senior class LOL? He brought in SEVERAL Seniors from other schools. If he didn't choose the right ones, then that is a failure on his end. No excuses.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:33 am to metafour
For some reason people continue to give him a pass on not coaching. How do you get worse with better talent? Because he didn't bring in a transfer qb? He made that call as a COACH. I bet even with a transfer qb auburn wins 6-7 games next season. I honestly wouldnt be surprised if he doesn't get a transfer and tries to "develop " one if the qbs on the roster. Unless freeze dumps some of his coach buddies and actually brings in some good decision makers , there won't be much improvement in year 3. Freeze is broken right now and EVERYONE with eyes can see it. Why is he holding back making changes now? This season is over and he has nothing to lose but he still continues to do the same stupid shite every week.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 8:58 am to wareaglepete
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A real fricking Auburn man expects more and doesn’t make excuses. You make me sick.
Boy frick YOU. I don't know who THE frick you think you're talking to... I'll knock you the frick out... Find you something else to do, PETER.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:06 am to thirdlawson
You will FIGHT for FREEZE?
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:07 am to Hussss
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You will FIGHT for FREEZE?
Bro...
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:34 am to jvilletiger25
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Now go back and dissect those stats. Put up numbers against shite teams
Yeah, like I said, I'm not saying he's anything great as a QB. But he's not putting up numbers against shite teams for us. He had some good talent around him at MSU, but I wouldn't say it was dramatically better than what he's working with this year.
The difference is coaching. That's going to become more evident when Thorne is gone.
Posted on 11/5/24 at 9:44 am to metafour
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James Franklin @ Vanderbilt:
6-7 in year one, 9-4 in year two.
Don't anyone DARE try to suggest that Freeze inherited a "harder situation" than whatever Franklin walked into at Vandy.
The year two thing is like a rule in this conference. Go look at essentially any coach who has succeeded in this conference: regardless of how many games they won in year one, year two is almost always a multi-win improvement.
Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss:
5-5 in year one, 10-3 in year two.
Mike Leach at MSU:
4-7 in year one, 7-6 in year two.
Dan Mullen at MSU:
5-7 in year one, 9-4 in year two.
Nice... Any of these guys even been to a conference championship game??
These aren't who you want to model... tear it all the frick the way down. ALL THE WAY. Auburn has to stop the Great 1st or 2nd year and fired by year 5 shite...
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:12 am to thirdlawson
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Nice... Any of these guys even been to a conference championship game??
Mullen has, Kiffin has. Franklin has.
Is that the standard? We sticking with Hugh because of his 2011 Sun Belt championship?
Are you under the impression that doing bad in year 1&2 is actually better than doing well? This is such a bizarre line of thought. Furthermore, the only Coach Auburn has had who was good in year 1&2 and fired by year 5 was Chizik.
Freeze defenders have lost touch with reality. Not a single one of you would’ve accepted this year 2 record when he was hired, but you’ve gotta talk yourself into it now because you’d rather lie to yourself than face the facts that Hugh almost certainly isn’t going to work out.
This post was edited on 11/5/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/5/24 at 10:20 am to Cocotheape
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Mullen has, Kiffin has. Franklin has.
Mullen, Kiffin & Franklin went to a SECCG?!?!
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