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re: Did the PTB hamstring recruiting as well?
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:19 am to CorchJay
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:19 am to CorchJay
The truth will not come out because nobody is going to take ownership of the media attack.
“Uh. it was I that started all the rumors and smears in the media of Coach Harsin.” - said Nobody Ever
There needs to be an investigation to know the truth. Hopefully there will be.
Again, everybody is usually cool with a coach getting fired the right way. It’s the business. Even after 1 yr (though I think that will make it almost impossible to get a good coach in the future). But you cannot do what was done in the press to smear the family and make unfounded accusations. Horrible look. Just horrible. Even if they were all true.
“Uh. it was I that started all the rumors and smears in the media of Coach Harsin.” - said Nobody Ever
There needs to be an investigation to know the truth. Hopefully there will be.
Again, everybody is usually cool with a coach getting fired the right way. It’s the business. Even after 1 yr (though I think that will make it almost impossible to get a good coach in the future). But you cannot do what was done in the press to smear the family and make unfounded accusations. Horrible look. Just horrible. Even if they were all true.
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Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:19 am to DutchValleyTiger
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Once the PTB puppet is installed. How long does it take for Auburn to compete for the west?
You act like PTB puppet is the football coach that turns into a dancing boy for PTB while they’re circle jerking each other.
Don’t be an a-hole to Bo Jackson, to the boosters that wrote your check, and to your own players, and fulfill the contractual obligations of making appearances for Auburn, and you’re good.
If all of that happens and the PTB still hates you it’s because you suck on the field.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 11:35 am to DyeHardDylan
Just go ahead and go full retarded and blame the REC.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:21 pm to AUWDE
I can’t make people think rationally. We’re already too far gone to save Harsin because the damage has already been done, but that doesn’t make it right. We don’t even know why he may or may not be fired, but every day that he has been on vacation, there’s a new salacious gossip story every day. People can read between the lines and see what’s happening. It’s insidious and wrong. This “investigation” seems like a search to find something to investigate so they don’t have to pay a coach they don’t like. If you dig enough, you can find dirt on anyone.
This post was edited on 2/7/22 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:30 pm to AUX3
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But you cannot do what was done in the press to smear the family and make unfounded accusations. Horrible look. Just horrible. Even if they were all true.
Very true. And what happens if there is no truth to the rumors? Harsin will survive it in some way. Even if he ends up in an FCS position, he'll find a job - it's the nature of the coaching business.
If all of the rumors are false, I feel worst for the assistant. She will have to leave AU, because her boss is gone and he situation will be toxic. But the accusations will follow her everywhere. If she tried to get a job, she'll have a strike against her in the hiring process because "she slept with her old boss to get that job." If she does get hired, everyone will be looking at her like, "we know how she got the job."
Posted on 2/7/22 at 12:50 pm to DyeHardDylan
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I can’t make people think rationally. We’re already too far gone to save Harsin because the damage has already been done, but that doesn’t make it right. We don’t even know why he may or may not be fired, but every day that he has been on vacation, there’s a new salacious gossip story every day. People can read between the lines and see what’s happening. It’s insidious and wrong. This “investigation” seems like a search to find something to investigate so they don’t have to pay a coach they don’t like. If you dig enough, you can find dirt on anyone.
No, that's just on you having your head in the sand and being uninformed. The things that they are investigating have been reported on. Your position seems to be that you have concluded that Bryan Harsin is Saint Nicholas, and no wrongdoing could possibly have occurred. The complaints against him stemmed from within the team (players and former coaches) and have been there for a while now.
That's the joke in this whole scenario: for this to have been a planted hit-piece by the evil PTB, they would have needed to convince a group of players to come out and lie to spread a story of mistreatment. Otherwise you are implying that their first-hand recollection is not true (and no, Chandler Wooten doesn't represent or speak on behalf of every football player's experience).
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:20 pm to DyeHardDylan
Much like ol' Tommy "Pine Box" Tubs, Harsin knew *exactly* what he was getting into.
And both (Tubs and Harsin) fricking agreed to it to make the move and get the major pay-day.
Only AFTER things start going to shite do they start trying to put on the protective "fan" cloak.
And you silly frickers buy it every goddam time.
And both (Tubs and Harsin) fricking agreed to it to make the move and get the major pay-day.
Only AFTER things start going to shite do they start trying to put on the protective "fan" cloak.
And you silly frickers buy it every goddam time.
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:25 pm to DyeHardDylan
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It’s now known that Harsin wasn’t given full autonomy of his own staff
Lulz
Posted on 2/7/22 at 10:43 pm to AUCE05
That is fricking bullshite
Posted on 2/8/22 at 5:27 am to DyeHardDylan
They probably didn't want him hiring new a OC or DC to a big contract if they were getting rid of him. But the class and the fact he blew off events to help recruiting shows he didn't want to recruit like he has to.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 5:40 am to metafour
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What you just wrote relates ONLY to the recent situation after Austin Davis resigned.
Yeah this is the way I took it as well. Harsin went to Gouge and asked whether he could talk to the BoT about the salary of a new OC and Gouge told him "that wouldn't be in your best interest." This implies Harsin was already on everyone's bad side. However, Harsin told ESPN in relation to any investigation, "No, nothing was said to me about any of this."
But honestly, this incident should raise red flags for everyone. Why in the world is Harsin having to go to the BoT for this? Is it not AD Greene's job to help Harsin with assistant hires? And WHY are players demanding to meet with the BoT? Is it not AD Greene they should be meeting with? It sounds to me like AD Greene has basically been neutered and has no say in anything. This comports with the rumors that have been going on for a long time about Greene just being AD in name only. He has no autonomy and simply takes orders from above. No wonder the dude has been interviewing like crazy to get out.
This is the big problem with Auburn. There is no clear chain of command and everything is just one big clusterfrick of confusion. While I am no fan of Tot, he said back in the late 90's that the Auburn PTB love to "micromanage everything." (His words). It seems nothing has changed in over 20 years.
ESPN talked to an industry insider who told them: "There is no way to ever tell who is in Control (at Auburn)."
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:52 am to AUstar
You cannot let a head coach give out any contract he wants. The greatest coach in Auburn History (Bruce) just got his assistants and support staff more money (think about that). You cannot give anyone a blank check. He wants to give Schemmding a huge raise and 3 year contract, is AG supposed to say whatever you want?
Remember how many coaches Hars has either fired or run off. I feel no pity for the man.
Remember how many coaches Hars has either fired or run off. I feel no pity for the man.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:58 am to AUX3
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Again, everybody is usually cool with a coach getting fired the right way. It’s the business. Even after 1 yr (though I think that will make it almost impossible to get a good coach in the future).
It is absolutely nuts to fire a coach in one year. To me, this was pretty clearly an ambush. That being said, I think we will hear more this week and maybe getting a better picture of what the frick is going on. Also, the truth is the situation is to the point where I don't think there is anyway Harsin can even get one more year.
The problem is serious when no one can tell you with 100% certainty who is running things at AU. I don't want to burn it all down, but there needs to be some accountability regarding all these shenanigans.
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Horrible look. Just horrible.
Absolutely. I don't think anyone could try to sell this as good.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:27 am to Smoke7024
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Also, didn't that rumor originate on a discord server, then made it's way to messageboards?
A guy on another forum claims that an AU staffer posted it to their Facebook and that's how AU's PTB became aware of it. That person later (wisely) decided to delete the post.
I don't know if it's true, but it sounds reasonable. This might explain all the people claiming "my buddy in the AD told me about it." Their "buddy" in the AD might have read it on an AU staffer's FB.
Whatever the case, I do believe it started inside Auburn and was not just some bammer in a basement somewhere.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:29 am to AUstar
The thing about the young lady is what makes this shite go beyond the pale in my opinion.
Those rumors are damaging the names of people in the court of public opinion and it is almost impossible to ever make that go away now.
Those rumors are damaging the names of people in the court of public opinion and it is almost impossible to ever make that go away now.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:29 am to higgs_boson
Well Austin Davis just resigned last Monday so of course they weren't going to let him hire someone else last week. And don't forget he first tried to hire a guy who just got fired for cheating and was stopped by compliance. His staffing has been a disaster and it has nothing to do with the PTB.
So has his recruiting. He literally doesn't want his players to get nil. It's not going to work. The defensive staff did their own thing without him and that is why the class is so unbalanced.
So has his recruiting. He literally doesn't want his players to get nil. It's not going to work. The defensive staff did their own thing without him and that is why the class is so unbalanced.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:34 am to DyeHardDylan
I think it's time we all sit back and see what happens. I've gotten to a point where I just don't care. If Harsin gets fired and the PTB hire a dud (steele) I'm done with Auburn football for a while. If we hire Freeze or better I will give it a year to see what happens. If it's bad I'm done, goes well I will cautiously allow myself to slowly care again. All while knowing when it comes to football we can't have anything nice
Posted on 2/8/22 at 2:54 pm to DyeHardDylan
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It hasn’t been confirmed, so until then, it is false. Innocent until proven guilty.
Wouldn't this mean that the PTB / Boosters / BOT / AD are innocent until proven guilty? So all of your accusations against them regarding Harsin would be false?
How do we know they are the ones who leaked the rumors and not some disgruntled member of Harsin's staff, which he hired and in some cases fired?
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 3:12 pm
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