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re: Dee Davis transferring.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:41 pm to BranTheHuman2
Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:41 pm to BranTheHuman2
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How does a guy like that break all those records, then? Was he really just surrounded by studs and in a really good system?
IF you go back long enough, just in Alabama, I remember many years when a QB set state passing records and/or TDs and either didn't have great skills to be an SEC qb or even if they were signed, did not ever see the field as those teams brought in better talented QBs who could outplay, or have the skills that are better than the ALL state QB.
It happens a lot.
In our case, he did not have enough high level QB skills to compete for a starting position and in this case the new QB simply had other ideas what he needed in his QB to succeed in Harsin's offense.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 1:42 pm
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Posted on 3/24/22 at 1:48 pm to BranTheHuman2
quote:Kinda yes kinda no imo. He plays at a powerhouse school in Texas that is always good, so they had talent on the team for sure. However, the best WR on that team is currently a LB in college right now. They also played in one of the toughest classifications in Texas, so he wasn't just beating up on scrubs. He took games over by himself at times.
How does a guy like that break all those records, then? Was he really just surrounded by studs and in a really good system?
Doesn't guarantee college success, but he was very much the star of that team.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 3:39 pm to jt33
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Kinda yes kinda no imo. He plays at a powerhouse school in Texas that is always good, so they had talent on the team for sure. However, the best WR on that team is currently a LB in college right now. They also played in one of the toughest classifications in Texas, so he wasn't just beating up on scrubs. He took games over by himself at times.
Doesn't guarantee college success, but he was very much the star of that team.
The QB is almost always the "star" if they are actually a D1 talent themselves, since they touch the ball on every snap.
As far as I remember, that team had a Junior on it (while Davis was a Senior) that at the time was early-ranked as a 5-star in the following class (don't know if he held that ranking). The WR who turned into a LB was also rated higher than Davis....as a WR.
Either way, it wasn't very hard for Davis to put up video-game numbers. He can obviously play to some degree given the Auburn offer, but the whole "State Championships" and "HS Stats" form of evaluation is nonsense. If you go by those metrics, Davis is a better recruit out of HS than Matthew Stafford was LOL. And yet Stafford was a 5-star elite recruit, whereas Davis was a ~mid 4-star guy in the ~20-30 range at QB in his class.
Lots and I mean LOTS of Auburn fans were claiming that the recruiting sites were "low" on Davis's ranking because of his non-scouting related accomplishments (you know..."blah blah if he was committed to Bama he'd be a 5-star!"). The sites were obvious correct. The other obvious event is that he was invited to the Elite 11 and looked very very pedestrian on the same field as his peers.
This post was edited on 3/24/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/24/22 at 6:34 pm to metafour
I agree with you, stats aren't anything to go by. Not arguing against that. Just saying, he was the one who carried that team at times even though there we're other talented players. I'm not sure if the 5* you're talking about is Denver Harris, but he was mostly a DB and I think its safe to say the ranking was very wrong for that WR turned LB lol.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 10:35 pm to BranTheHuman2
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How does a guy like that break all those records, then? Was he really just surrounded by studs and in a really good system?
Kind of like a guy from Athens (AL) high school years ago.
AU and AL had zero interest in him as a QB. Too small, too slow, weak arm, etc.
Seems Philip Rivers had a pretty decent run in the NFL after a good college career at NC St.
Posted on 3/24/22 at 11:32 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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AU and AL had zero interest in him as a QB. Too small, too slow, weak arm, etc.
Rivers was never small, compared to Davis he was Goliath
Posted on 3/25/22 at 3:58 am to tiggerfan02 2021
I get your point but none of those adjectives described the way the in-state schools saw Rivers. Heck, Tubs tried to get him to come play TE even though he was one of the slowest QBs I can remember recently.
Both Auburn and bama had their guys at that time.
Both Auburn and bama had their guys at that time.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 9:40 am to AA7
Rivers never got a shot at Bama or Auburn because both instate schools already had "more talented" options at QB. In Auburn's case, that was Jason Campbell who was a 5-star recruit. Both schools still wanted Rivers by the way, he just wanted a bigger commitment that he could start at QB - hence why he went to NC State.
Dee Davis was actually at Auburn and had over a full year to show what he could do at Auburn. He didn't make any movement on the depth chart because he simply did not look good. Those situations aren't even remotely comparable. Dee Davis had his "shot"; I have not heard one person with insight state that he has looked good in practice. It is actually the complete opposite, hence why I've been saying that he was going to transfer out for like 6+ months now.
Dee Davis was actually at Auburn and had over a full year to show what he could do at Auburn. He didn't make any movement on the depth chart because he simply did not look good. Those situations aren't even remotely comparable. Dee Davis had his "shot"; I have not heard one person with insight state that he has looked good in practice. It is actually the complete opposite, hence why I've been saying that he was going to transfer out for like 6+ months now.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:55 am to metafour
Yeah everything (not much) I’ve seen was that the dime he had in A-Day last year was an anomaly and skewed fan’s expectations of what he was.
Posted on 3/26/22 at 1:40 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
quote:He was a water boy during my high school days. Seriously, his dad was assistant coach at Decatur High School when we won the large school state championship
Seems Philip Rivers had a pretty decent run in the NFL after a good college career at NC St.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:07 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
Alabama State
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:13 pm to jangalang
That’s pretty telling.
He wasn’t anywhere near SEC caliber.
Thanks, Chad and Gus.
He wasn’t anywhere near SEC caliber.
Thanks, Chad and Gus.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:16 pm to jangalang
Bama State yikes
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:27 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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AU and AL had zero interest in him as a QB. Too small, too slow, weak arm, etc.
Do you even know how Phillip Rivers is? Dude is about 6'5". Alabama just signed the QB they wanted and Auburn thought he would be a TE, so he went to NC State.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:50 pm to TTsTowel
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That’s pretty telling.
No doubt. QB position was arse way too much. I don’t see how the same guy recruited Sean White, Bo, Stidham, Chayil Garnett, JF3, and Dee Davis.
He had no clue what he wanted.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 4/18/22 at 9:00 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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Seriously, his dad was assistant coach at Decatur High School when we won the large school state championship
Decatur High hasnt won a state champsionship since 1971, Phillip was not alive then.
Posted on 4/18/22 at 9:00 pm to jangalang
agree with Gus being an "offensive guru" he seemed broken after 2013 and could never pin down the qb position.
Surprised Davis didnt go back to a TX school, wish him luck.
Surprised Davis didnt go back to a TX school, wish him luck.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:30 am to TTsTowel
Alabama State puts players in the league too. Plus with the new focus and high ranking talent choosing HBCUs these days, this could be a very smart move for him. I wish him the best.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:44 am to BigBlueAU
It’s definitely a league that fits him skill set. The SEC was not.
Like I said, his choice is telling.
Like I said, his choice is telling.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 12:09 pm to BigBlueAU
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Plus with the new focus and high ranking talent choosing HBCUs these days, this could be a very smart move for him.
What new focus LMAO? Newsflash: he picked Alabama State because this was likely the best option for him. The kid was running like 4th string at Auburn, a school with TJ Finley at it's starter. They brought in Robby Ashford to jump-over Dee Davis.
He is simply not that good and his transfer destination reflects that. The amount of clear-cut factual information that people want to overlook to convince themselves that this is some "great QB" is mind-blowing, when everything since he has entered college has suggested the complete opposite.
Now, apparently he's ending up at Alabama State because what, he looked past programs that are actual football schools so he can attend HBCU?
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