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Posted on 11/20/22 at 11:56 am to Leto II
quote:You obviously weren’t around in 1998-2000
Oh yeah. I’ve never really had a problem with Ole Miss until they turned into bitches over this coaching search
Posted on 11/20/22 at 11:56 am to AA7
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Ehh I could see them announcing the Friday before the Iron Bowl. It makes you the lead story for the entire weekend, likely gives Lane some air time to talk about the move, and preemptively squashes any talk of “Auburn should hire Caddy” if by some miracle we won the game. Also in the likely scenario that we get hammered in the game, the talk during the game likely shifts from getting beat to what Auburn will look like with Kiffin.
Yeah, I would announce after the Egg Bowl & before the Iron Bowl.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 11:56 am to HonorThyWarEagle
Compliment. I'm taking it's a done deal
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:00 pm to Rabern57
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The issue with that is wanting to and actually doing it are 2 different things.
He has the offense that I’ve been praying for for years. We also saw last year that his defense got 13 ppg better. And then his DC got poached away as did his OC and ST coordinator.
If he wants our resources to help in handling the defensive side then we need to pounce on Kiffin. Our resources can easily help mitigate some of your concerns.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:10 pm to jangalang
quote:Yes and we still seen him lose all the games that mattered and his best win was a 4 loss Arkansas team. There are plenty of coaches that just can't win the big games no matter what they or the schools do or how much talent they have. Mark Richt is a Prime example. How you handle the loss of assistants and players is the tell of how good of a coach you are. You hire a coach that has to have the most talent and best assistants to win then they aren't great HCs. This day in age teams poach every assistant that is remotely good. So he's not going to keep one long if he has any success. He has to be able to handle that.
He has the offense that I’ve been praying for for years. We also saw last year that his defense got 13 ppg better. And then his DC got poached away as did his OC and ST coordinator.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:13 pm to Rabern57
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a coach that has to have the most talent and best assistants to win then they aren't great HCs
Sounds like the GOAT
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:19 pm to Rabern57
Auburn has always been able to compete with the top teams, even with shitty coaches.
What makes you think it will be any different under Kiffin with all the resources at his disposal. You’re going way off the rails here and disregarding the AU advantages.
What makes you think it will be any different under Kiffin with all the resources at his disposal. You’re going way off the rails here and disregarding the AU advantages.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:20 pm to Rabern57
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You hire a coach that has to have the most talent and best assistants to win then they aren't great HCs
This is not true. What you just described is a great HC and the coaches of our rivals.
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This day in age teams poach every assistant that is remotely good. So he's not going to keep one long if he has any success
He can absorb offensive losses fine. He is an offensive coach that has adjusted around talent and overcome losses within the staff such as Lebby. He isn’t Mark Richt either. We can help him handle the defensive side.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:27 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Because the shitty coaches took something extraordinary to have a good year. People want to avoid he's not beaten anyone and then want to act like he is just because he's at Auburn. We're not talking about a HC that is producing all around. We are talking about a HC that is putting up good offensive numbers and nothing else. We would be basically hiring an OC to be HC. His fans are just saying hire a DC and talent will fix all he's missing. If he were as good as they are hyping him up to be we wouldn't be talking like that. We would be hiring him and expect the team to improve with assistants as just extra help.
What makes you think it will be any different under Kiffin with all the resources at his disposal. You’re going way off the rails here and disregarding the AU advantages.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:30 pm to Rabern57
Elite OC who did well at a small school and is exceeding the historical averages of an SECW school - by a lot.
I think "Kiffin isn't elite" is a completely reasonable take. But we're either going to pay 5-7m for a very unproven speculative coach or 9-11 for one with a recent history of successfully leading programs. I'm opting for the latter.
I think "Kiffin isn't elite" is a completely reasonable take. But we're either going to pay 5-7m for a very unproven speculative coach or 9-11 for one with a recent history of successfully leading programs. I'm opting for the latter.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:39 pm to Pettifogger
Well in 3 years when we are sitting in the same spot with wins against just OM and losses to Bama, UGA, LSU, Arkansas, (probably State), and just wins against OM and non conference games because we arent playing vandy every year then we will be having this same conversation about whose next. Then Auburn is going to look even worse for not keeping him longer or gave him an outrageous buyout.
Everything about him being better and his flaws fixed are all a gamble because he's had the same issues since he's started as a HC.
Everything about him being better and his flaws fixed are all a gamble because he's had the same issues since he's started as a HC.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:42 pm to Rabern57
Mark Stoops is now making $8.6M a year and he’s pretty mediocre.
Who TF do you think Auburn can get that would be good for under $10M?
Who TF do you think Auburn can get that would be good for under $10M?
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:43 pm to Rabern57
Some of y’all want a flawless coach that either doesn’t exist or isn’t for hire
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:54 pm to TheJones
quote:Freeze is more than hirable and cheaper. He accomplished better wins at OM with less talent and in a tougher version of the west (right now the west is as bad as its been in awhile. Even the winner has 2 losses and no one has defense). We would have an offense and defense with average coordinators (not to mention if we had the level being mentioned we needed for Kiffin). Auburn's talent is well above Liberty's (that again beat Arkansas that we couldn't) right off we would be as good as Kiffin's 3rd year OM team.
Some of y’all want a flawless coach that either doesn’t exist or isn’t for hire
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:56 pm to Rabern57
Why are we concerned with price? It isn’t real money, it’s not our money, and everyone is getting TONS of money from this new TV deal.
Posted on 11/20/22 at 12:58 pm to kung fu kenny
quote:Its more of long term buyouts and guaranteed amount. Aka A&M's mess. Getting rid of a bad hire.
Why are we concerned with price? It isn’t real money, it’s not our money, and everyone is getting TONS of money from this new TV deal.
This post was edited on 11/20/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:16 pm to Rabern57
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Its more of long term buyouts and guaranteed amount. Aka A&M's mess. Getting rid of a bad hire.
Boss, we basically just paid Bryan Harsin $10 mill a year to not even coach 2 full seasons while putting up some of the worst results in Auburn football history: ~$5 mill for last season, and ~$15 mill for this season (his normal salary for the games he coached, plus the ~$12 mill buyout).
Some of you don't get it at all. There is ZERO benefit to getting a "good deal" coach. If the guy actually succeeds and wins games, you're going to have to extend him up to market rate anyway almost immediately.
Ryan Day hasn't even coached 4 full seasons at Ohio State and they have already extended him twice, and he's fishing for another raise right now (see: his name popping up for Auburn). He started at $4.5 mill and he's already up to $9.5 mill. His next extension, coming probably in 2023, will push him up to $11-12+ million.
So here's your reality: you hire an underqualified coach for ~$5-6 million. If he succeeds, you'll be forced to extend him up to what his peers make almost immediately within 2-3 years. If he fails, you'll pay a buyout which once tallied up will prove to basically have been paying him the rate of an elite coach anyway. There really isn't any "beating the system".
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:20 pm to Rabern57
Posted on 11/20/22 at 1:21 pm to TheJones
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Some of y’all want a flawless coach that either doesn’t exist or isn’t for hire
True, but I know a guy that’s undefeated.
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