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Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:48 pm to ellitor
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ellitor
He is almost God-like revered at UAB right now, and is the #1 reason why UAB resurrected their football program. He's not just a football coach.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 9:51 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Yeah, either Dabo or Bill Clark. I can see from all the stats provided in this thread from Clarks career, would make Bama fall back to Clark should Dabo decline.
I can see Alabama having a hard time finding a replacement once Saban steps down. Who would want to attempt to follow that act? We all know how irrational the Bammer fanbase is.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 10:52 pm to greygoose
Are you serious? Pretty much any coach is going to jump the chance to be head football coach at Alabama.
Posted on 10/27/19 at 11:11 pm to greygoose
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I can see Alabama having a hard time finding a replacement once Saban steps down.
Are you serious???
Posted on 10/27/19 at 11:39 pm to AUNashville
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AUNashville
Damn, there seems to be some folks with either no intellectual ability, or extremely naive.
Ever heard the phrase "Hard act to follow"?
Name a person who wants to be held up to the expectations that Saban has built. Hell, Saban has had difficulties living up to his own success. Any coach that doesn't come in and deliver a top 3 recruiting class every year and be in contention for the national championship, will be considered a failure. That fanbase is extremely spoiled and Saban has even called them out on it. The next coach at Alabama probably won't last 4 years. Just like Perkins after Bryant turned up toes.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 7:43 am to greygoose
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Name a person who wants to be held up to the expectations that Saban has built. Hell, Saban has had difficulties living up to his own success. Any coach that doesn't come in and deliver a top 3 recruiting class every year and be in contention for the national championship, will be considered a failure. That fanbase is extremely spoiled and Saban has even called them out on it. The next coach at Alabama probably won't last 4 years. Just like Perkins after Bryant turned up toes.
So you're implying that they'll get turned down by a handful of coaches before settling on their choice? Because that is the only remotely possible way Clark would end up there.
Dabo could be one to go, who himself said it would be an honor to coach Alabama. I could see James Franklin going there. Harbaugh if he gets run out of Michigan. Dave Aranda, Venables, Matt Rhule could be options that would definitely accept the job. Sark would take the job as well.
Also keep in mind that Perkins was Bama's first choice who said he would walk to Tuscaloosa if asked to take the job. They didn't have any trouble finding Bear's replacement. So that point of yours is completely invalid.
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 7:44 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 8:54 am to TTsTowel
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I don’t think it’s possible.
When was the last time Auburn got a guy that was considered “elite” prior to hire?
Put enough money on the table and anything is possible.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:06 am to greygoose
Im not here to say Bill Clark isnt a good football coach, he is.
But this is Auburn University. A highly respected and nationally competitive school. We should be able to pick a coach with much better credentials and experience then Bill Clark.
If Gus is let go (I dont think he will be) then we should be on the top of coaching candidate hires.
And that lists, has to start with:
Brent Venables
But this is Auburn University. A highly respected and nationally competitive school. We should be able to pick a coach with much better credentials and experience then Bill Clark.
If Gus is let go (I dont think he will be) then we should be on the top of coaching candidate hires.
And that lists, has to start with:
Brent Venables
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:17 am to AUNashville
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So you're implying that they'll get turned down by a handful of coaches before settling on their choice? Because that is the only remotely possible way Clark would end up there.
Dabo could be one to go, who himself said it would be an honor to coach Alabama. I could see James Franklin going there. Harbaugh if he gets run out of Michigan. Dave Aranda, Venables, Matt Rhule could be options that would definitely accept the job. Sark would take the job as well.
Also keep in mind that Perkins was Bama's first choice who said he would walk to Tuscaloosa if asked to take the job. They didn't have any trouble finding Bear's replacement. So that point of yours is completely invalid.
Are you 15 y/o? Your train of thought and your knowledge of how the world works, is leading me to beleive that you don't have much life experience under your belt.
Perkins was only at Alabama for 3 years. The fanbase was pissed at him when he took the job because of all the changes he made. One of which, was taking down The Bahr's tower on the practice field. Another thing you fail to understand and/or remember, Alabama hadn't had much success leading up to Bryant's death. Compare that to now, with Alabama contending EVERY FREAKING YEAR FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
I guess you also don't remember the fans running Bill Curry outta town either. He volunatarily quit to take the job at Kentucky! Franchione left for A&M. Rich Rod was offered the job and turned it down.
Let me put it this way so that you just might comprehend the situation. Let's say an opening in a sales position becomes available. The company is expecting the same sales numbers out of it's new hire, as the guy who just left. Now imagine the old guy was the best salesman in the history of salesmen. Do you get it now?
I never implied that Clark would ever be in consideration for the job in Tuscaloosa. The fanbase there, as I have stated before, is extremely entitled and spoiled. It's going to be fun watching their next coaching search.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:18 am to greygoose
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Name a person who wants to be held up to the expectations that Saban has built.
LMFAO; these egomaniacs all want the challenge, otherwise they wouldn't be in this profession.
Imagine thinking that the most dominant program in the country, with endless resources, A+ facilities, etc, etc, etc. is going to offer the job to so many supposedly pussy coaches (who will all turn down the offer - because they're scared?) that they are forced to reach into the C-USA to hire Bill Clark after spending over a decade dominating.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:22 am to WarEagleJersey
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And that lists, has to start with:
Brent Venables
Venables is a very good defensive coordinator, but has no HC experience. Chizik was an extremely good DC, but did not translate into a good HC. Same with Kevin Steele. Bill Oliver was a defensive genius, and wanted the HC job when Bowden left. There's a reason it wasn't offered to him.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:27 am to greygoose
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Are you 15 y/o? Your train of thought and your knowledge of how the world works, is leading me to beleive that you don't have much life experience under your belt. Perkins was only at Alabama for 3 years. The fanbase was pissed at him when he took the job because of all the changes he made. One of which, was taking down The Bahr's tower on the practice field. Another thing you fail to understand and/or remember, Alabama hadn't had much success leading up to Bryant's death. Compare that to now, with Alabama contending EVERY FREAKING YEAR FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP! I guess you also don't remember the fans running Bill Curry outta town either. He volunatarily quit to take the job at Kentucky! Franchione left for A&M. Rich Rod was offered the job and turned it down. Let me put it this way so that you just might comprehend the situation. Let's say an opening in a sales position becomes available. The company is expecting the same sales numbers out of it's new hire, as the guy who just left. Now imagine the old guy was the best salesman in the history of salesmen. Do you get it now? I never implied that Clark would ever be in consideration for the job in Tuscaloosa. The fanbase there, as I have stated before, is extremely entitled and spoiled. It's going to be fun watching their next coaching search.
Your approach to this whole situation is laughable and you keep dodging my points. It's also funny that you ask my age because the way you argue makes me want to think you're in middle school.
Perkins was excited to take the job and he was the first choice. That's all that matters in regard to your point about him taking the job. I'd like for you to explain to me how the fans being pissed at him afterwards means anything in regard to him taking the job initially. What happens after doesn't matter. If Dabo takes the job and does poorly, fans will be pissed too, but that won't matter in terms of him being their first choice (if he is).
Also, I guess you agree with all those names I threw out that would be willing to take the Bama job because you conveniently left that out of the discussion.
So, what's your call on the amount of coaches that turn down the Alabama job before they find someone to accept it?
This post was edited on 10/28/19 at 9:38 am
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:31 am to ellitor
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His next job will be a P5 job. If we aren't that school then we'll never have a chance to hire him. I just had a scary thought. If Dabo says no to Bama when Saban retires I sure as hell don't want to see Clark there & keep that train rolling.
I'm not sure that's true. To continue my example, we could easily pull Neal Brown away from his P5 gig.
I think it's 75/25 Clark's move is to a lower level P5 school we could easily hire him out of. A lot of people are convinced Clark is our best option and I'm not that interested in trying to dissuade them.
But I'd be willing to take the risk of him getting a job we can't pull him from before gambling on hiring him directly as HC of Auburn without seeing performance at an intermediate level.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 9:31 am to greygoose
This is probably the dumbest thing Auburn fans do IMO.
Im not on the Bill train. More on the Venables or Dino train.
Im not on the Bill train. More on the Venables or Dino train.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:51 am to ellitor
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I knew that post will get laughed hard at but I ain't backing down from it.
No, you're exactly right. I've been saying this for years. If we don't get BC, bama will, and we'll be sorry.
I know Bill Clark. At Prattville, he paid for all of his assistant coaches to travel to USC to learn from Pete Carroll, LSU and Miami to learn from Nick Saban, and all of the local universities to learn from their respective coaches. People complaining that he hasn't coached outside the state simply don't know him. He is one of the best head coaches in football period. I've been saying that since he was at South Alabama, and I'll say it until he retires.
Posted on 10/28/19 at 11:57 am to greygoose
You do realize that there are plenty of examples of coaches that went from coordinator to HC with great success, right?
Dabo Sweeney
Dan Mullen
James Franklin
Lincoln Riley
Kirby Smart
Mike Gundy
Pat Fizgerald
Tom Herman
List can go on and on...
What you want to see in a potential coaching hire is a few things:
1. Can you recruit? Are you likeable?
-Recruiting is where success begins in CFB.
2. Are you running a system that works in CFB?
-Offense or defense, is your system successful.
3. Are you working under a coach that runs a respected program?
-The best coaches have the best coordinators and those coordinators pick up great wisdom in these programs.
4. Have you faced adversity?
-Have you had to face adversity in your coaching career where you were knocked out but came back up swinging.
Dabo Sweeney
Dan Mullen
James Franklin
Lincoln Riley
Kirby Smart
Mike Gundy
Pat Fizgerald
Tom Herman
List can go on and on...
What you want to see in a potential coaching hire is a few things:
1. Can you recruit? Are you likeable?
-Recruiting is where success begins in CFB.
2. Are you running a system that works in CFB?
-Offense or defense, is your system successful.
3. Are you working under a coach that runs a respected program?
-The best coaches have the best coordinators and those coordinators pick up great wisdom in these programs.
4. Have you faced adversity?
-Have you had to face adversity in your coaching career where you were knocked out but came back up swinging.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:43 am to bawbarn
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Are you serious? Pretty much any coach is going to jump the chance to be head football coach at Alabama.
Do you Rich Rod?
Name an Auburn HC that quit to take another job?
Alabama has had two since Bryant.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 6:48 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:46 am to WarEagleJersey
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You do realize that there are plenty of examples of coaches that went from coordinator to HC with great success, right?
You do realize that there are plenty of example of coaches that went from coordinator to HC that were failures, right?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 6:52 am to greygoose
We get it already. You would bone BC if he would let you. This thread is stale and you have beaten the Bill Clark is awesome horse to death. Everyone who doesn’t agree is delusional, a child, blah blah blah. Cool, your interest in Bill being Auburn’s coach is well documented now. Mission accomplished.
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