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re: Better athlete - Nick Marshall or Robby Ashford?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:29 pm to auburnnyc94
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:29 pm to auburnnyc94
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Do you think Nick Marshall would have looked good as Georgia's QB in 2011? Because I genuinely do not.
No idea. Probably not because the system was not right for him now. Most dont know but when he was a senior in HS in the state of Georgia, Nick Marshall smashed half the passing records in the state.
Nick Marshall was what he was at Auburn because of the system he was in fit his skills perfectly. It is also why he is not playing quarterback in the CFL, NFL or whatever. Perfect system for him and he made the most of it,
But look back at the quarterback projects we have had the every year, XYX coach is coming in and is going to turn him into a D1 QB. Has no happened yet. Its not coaching, its talent. Or the lack of it.
You know why Georgia has so many good quarterbacks come through there. Its because they recruit great quarterback candidates and they come in skilled.
Not JF3, Keihl Frazier, Cody Burns, Robby Ashford or the Joey Gatewoods of the world. Who could not even play for his own high school.
The majority of the time, you are not going to coach up a quy who just is not a QB to be a D1 qb. IF its not obvious by now, it never will be.
Yes I understand the Nick M term but that was certainly a special circumstance. I dont personally give Gus credit for the skills of Marshall. I give him credit for putting him in the right system and letting him play
Robby Ashford is Never, NEVER going to be a sucessful D1 quarterback at this level. Same as the other projects we have had
We need to recruit some guys who we dont have to transform
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:30 pm to auburnnyc94
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I was just addressing the point on coaching and situations not having an affect certain players. I think Nick Marshall was to some degree a system QB and Ashford is a significantly lesser version of him.
Agree
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:57 pm to metafour
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What the hell is this even supposed to mean?
It means that I think that the guy needs more experience and better coaching and that if he gets those things, he may turn into a good QB. If you guys want to go ahead and write him off then have it. I'm glad the guy hasn't given up on himself as easily as some of you have.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 1:57 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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Robby has been coached as a starting QB for less than 1 year and that was during a potato famine. Some of you may want to keep that in mind as you're writing him off.
Okay...
He has still been in a college program since 2020. Two years at Oregon. In his 2nd year at Auburn. That's 4 springs and 4 fall camps. I don't recall what happened at Oregon after that first season, but he has been in the middle of QB battles through spring and fall for two years at AU now. I am sure he at least got some meaningful reps at Oregon in spring or fall as well. Maybe not in the middle of a competition, but he still got college level reps in practice before the season.
I don't care if Hugh Freeze is the best QB coach in the universe and Phillip Mkntgomery had coached 10 Heisman winning QBs. Robby Ashford is not a good QB. He has had ample time to improve and he has shown minimal improvement. He can run like the wind. That's about it. He has no touch on his pass and is inaccurate. His legs are the only part of his game that can help this team and it showed last season when there is no threat of him throwing, the team has way less chance of winning football games.
The guy has electric athleticism, but just isn't a good QB.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:04 pm to jangalang
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You can define the parameters however youd like. Just show me you think Ashford can be a successful QB at Auburn. Otherwise you're full of shite.
I'm full of nothing other than the opinion that it would be wise to see how Ashford's story plays out before writing him off.
I don't know what we'd bet on. Perhaps you should find someone that is claiming that Ashford will be Auburn's starting QB one day or that he will go on to do great things somewhere else. Then you would at least have a metric to determine the winner.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:30 pm to IAmNERD
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I don't care if Hugh Freeze is the best QB coach in the universe and Phillip Mkntgomery had coached 10 Heisman winning QBs. Robby Ashford is not a good QB. He has had ample time to improve and he has shown minimal improvement.
Have we really seen enough evidence yet to know that he has only shown minimal improvement as a passer? I've seen him throw 6 passes so far this year and, while they weren't great throws, I don't think that is a large enough sample size to draw any conclusions. I don't think the fact that he didn't beat out a seasoned 2 year P5 starter in Fall practice is evidence that he can't become a starter himself one day either.
The only point I've been making in this thread is that I think that it is too soon to give up on him.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:40 pm to LanierSpots
I just honestly still think the jury is out on Ashford and Thorne too for that matter. I am definitely very skeptical of Ashford but I am not positive he should be lumped in with that project group yet. I viewed NM and even Cam as projects when they showed up and then one day they weren't.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 2:47 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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The only point I've been making in this thread is that I think that it is too soon to give up on him.
Jesus Christ dude we arent coaches. What we can do is speculate anything.
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don't think the fact that he didn't beat out a seasoned 2 year P5 starter in Fall practice is evidence that he can't become a starter himself one day either.
That starter isnt that special so getting beat out does say a bit. He was about to lose his own job but he came to Auburn because we needed a QB.
What quality QB would Ashford need to compete against to actually win a spot?
Finley and Thorne both beat him out. Our expectations and Robby's expectations would be conflicting as hell if we wanted our QB room to get better while Robby needs the QB room as mediocre as ever.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:03 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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I've seen him throw 6 passes so far this year and, while they weren't great throws
That slant pass to Fair was a great throw. And he threw a back shoulder throw to Burton that hit him in the chest, and he dropped it. He also hit the WR screens quickly and in good position for them to turn and run. Ashford won’t ever be a great passer. He just needs to be good enough. His running ability will make up for the rest.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:22 pm to atwitsendAU
Nick Marshall, and it isn't close. Marshall played QB in college, DB in the NFL, is now in the CFL, and was probably the best basketball player on campus when he was there.
Robby has done just enough to not be buried deep enough on the bench to never be seen again, and moonlighted as a solidly below average baseball player at Oregon for a season
Robby has done just enough to not be buried deep enough on the bench to never be seen again, and moonlighted as a solidly below average baseball player at Oregon for a season
Posted on 9/7/23 at 3:43 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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Have we really seen enough evidence yet to know that he has only shown minimal improvement as a passer?
He is on a D1 scholarship for the 3rd year and he can not even throw a damn screen pass. Yes , we have seen enough
The guy is not going to just all the sudden be a passer. If he hasnt learned by now ,he isnt going to learn
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:37 pm to jangalang
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And I will throw this out there as well just to make it burn: TJ Finley started over Ashford last year until TJ got hurt and benched. Tell me Drifter, in what world is Ashford the fricking starting QB and Auburn is happy.
How about this burn Tell us how great of a cuck "coach" Brian Harsin and his shite-show potato heads were at making good decisions, evaluating and developing said talent please. Especially on O with "guru" Kissmyarseu. Fair enough?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:42 pm to 88TIger
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Robby has been coached as a starting QB for less than 1 year and that was during a potato famine.
Thanks for making the obvious point. "coach / coached / coaching" and all things Brian Harsin and his ilk should never again be mentioned in the same sentence, anywhere for eternity regarding all things Auburn.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:51 pm to LanierSpots
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I have never seen a group of guys who so desperately want to “MAKE” a quarterback out of a guy who is not a quarterback. We have been doing it for years on this board. I have never understood it. 6 months of coaching by any coach is not going to turn someone into a D1 quarterback. They either are or they are not one.
Tell us about Jason Campbell, who definitely was an athletic QB, but what and how long did it take for him to get "there"? A bunch of Al Borges helped a lot, as did a group of skill players to support him that rivals or surpasses only Bo, Agee, Little Train and company. Randy fricking Campbell was a QB - a great one.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:56 pm to jangalang
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And btw Willis will never do anything in the NFL. If Willis stayed at Auburn he would've never got drafted. If Freeze worked with Willis at Auburn he still wouldve never got drafted. Willis will probably be QB 3 this weekend. Who cares abour your newest edition of "i love our backups QB" segments
Thanks Jang. You are "special" and we love you. Our Nostradumbanus and ours alone. Never change bro!
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:59 pm to atwitsendAU
Robby does not throw as well as Nick. He is a very good runner though.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:09 pm to allin2010
Dude was smooth as silk!
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:15 pm to BrounHaller
I still spit on Reynolds, Ga when I drive through.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:26 pm to jvilletiger25
Replace Ashford with Marshall on last year’s squad and Harsin’s job is safe for one more year.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:30 pm to atwitsendAU
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Thanks Jang. You are "special" and we love you. Our Nostradumbanus and ours alone. Never change bro!
Never plan to!
I dont know why I'm supposed to care about Malik Willis when the same potter of Malik Willis clay doesnt want to start Ashford.
AND I'm not special. YOURE SPECIAL
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