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re: Am I the only person not wanting Deion?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:17 pm to greygoose
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:17 pm to greygoose
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Sanders coached under some guy at a Texas high school.
Yeah and his Prime Prep Academy was a scandal-riddled failure. Lawsuits, FBI investigations, accusations of racism, and bankruptcy.
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 9:19 pm
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:19 pm to SingleMalt1973
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What Deion Sanders has done at a HBCU should not garner consideration for a job like Auburn. I’m sorry but sometimes I have to wonder what some of you do for a living. An analogy if you will. Auburn is like a Fortune 500 in college football. Jackson St is like a small town country store. Not even a Dollar General. How many Fortune 500s hire a CEO from that many levels below them?
None of that matters. I could give you name after name that looked good on paper, some with Natty’s even, that are either busts or unemployed.
This business is not like other businesses. Just like big tech is not like most other businesses but there are a lot of super smart tech geeks out in Silicon Valley that would rather hire with little to no experience rather than a PhD that thinks he knows every damn thing.
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:26 pm to greygoose
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Sanders coached under some guy
So you don’t take into account the HOF coaches he played for?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:29 pm to i am dan
quote:No shite! You think Saban, Kirby, Kelly, and now Heupel aren't going to get their share of top talent? Now throw in the fact that have DECADES of experience to go along with the talent they get, and can hire top assistants.
Coaching is kinda the primary job. Coaches win games without a roster full of five star. Ya'll make it sound like we'll be getting 20 5* recruits.
People are blinded by Sanders pulling TWO recruits that the big boys wanted. He then went out to the portal, and got a bunch of guys who couldn't sniff the field at P5 schools. Then he competes against teams full of 2* and no star players. Stepping up into the SEC would be like running up a few flights of stairs today, and attempting to climb Everest tomorrow.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:30 pm to SingleMalt1973
Your analogy is irrelevant
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:33 pm to Hussss
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This business is not like other businesses.
It is exactly like other businesses, However our fricked up PTB don’t see it that way and is why we are paying coaches more to not coach than coach. We can’t afford to take that kind of risk at this point, We are gonna have to hire an established coach woth SEC ties. That doesn’t mean a head coach, think Pitt Boss before he was at Arky. We are also gonna need to admit it is going to take 4-5 years to fix it the right way. All i keep hearing people say is Deion will,get players immediately. Maybe he will but it’s not guaranteed. We are gonna hire a guy cause Recruits say that’s who they want? I bet Auburn has more Football staff positions than Jackson St has in its entire AD. It is just too risky given the millions at stake.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:33 pm to AU_251
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Your analogy is irrelevant
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:34 pm to greygoose
He has the right mindset to Climb Mt Everest and whatever else he wants to accomplish.
I think what he has done and is currently doing is nothing short of amazing and commendable. He is giving back to these kids what he has learned throughout his life. Takes a very unselfish person to do that after being a lifelong superstar in 2 major sports.
I think what he has done and is currently doing is nothing short of amazing and commendable. He is giving back to these kids what he has learned throughout his life. Takes a very unselfish person to do that after being a lifelong superstar in 2 major sports.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:35 pm to SingleMalt1973
quote:Thats a terrible way to look at it. Talent can be found at any level of competition. Just take a look at the NFL draft
How many Fortune 500s hire a CEO from that many levels below them
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:37 pm to AUtigR24
Coaches at that level aren't doing it for the money. They will demand market rates but that ain't the reason
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:38 pm to Hussss
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So you don’t take into account the HOF coaches he played for?
Seriously? There are half retards that played under some of the greatest coaches in history. Nobody is offering them a coaching job. The term that is throw around, is "coaching tree". Never hear a great coach given credit for who he played for.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:41 pm to i am dan
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Am I the only person not wanting Deion?
Im bigly on the fence about it. I love Deion. It could work out great or be a disaster. He could certainly recruit. But if it goes bad, would you want to be the person to fire Deion Sanders? That would be like firing Peyton Manning.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:41 pm to AuburnTigers
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Thats a terrible way to look at it. Talent can be found at any level of competition. Just take a look at the NFL draft
Do y’all live in your parents basements and do Fantasy league shite? Sure it could work but after the debacles of hire we have been through since 2008 and the money we have forked out y’all want to take a flyer on a guy that has coached at below FCS level ball for 3 years cause he got a handful of kids headed to division one schools based on a NIL deal that he basically brokered himself?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:46 pm to Hussss
quote:I'm not knocking him for who he is, I just see what he's done for what it is. His fame and messaged about making HBCU great again got him some players to compete against teams that don't get very good talent. The next level is whole other universe. There is absolutely nothing to suggest what he has done in the SWAC, at Jackson State, will transfer over to P5. Hell, some damn good coaches were massive failures jumping to the NFL. Dan Devine was one of the greatest high school coaches ever, and failed spectacturaly at Notre Dame. Saban and Spurrier shite the bed in the NFL. As did Rhule and to a lesser extent, Bill O'Brien.
He has the right mindset to Climb Mt Everest and whatever else he wants to accomplish.
I think what he has done and is currently doing is nothing short of amazing and commendable. He is giving back to these kids what he has learned throughout his life. Takes a very unselfish person to do that after being a lifelong superstar in 2 major sports.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:51 pm to greygoose
If an introverted boob / high school coaching nerd like Gus can get to a Natty at Auburn then I don’t think Deion will have ANY trouble
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:55 pm to SingleMalt1973
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What Deion Sanders has done at a HBCU should not garner consideration for a job like Auburn. I’m sorry but sometimes I have to wonder what some of you do for a living. An analogy if you will. Auburn is like a Fortune 500 in college football. Jackson St is like a small town country store. Not even a Dollar General. How many Fortune 500s hire a CEO from that many levels below them?
Here's the angle that you're missing:
Deion Sanders isn't just some random coach who happens to coach at a HBCU. He is one of the most recognizable figures/brands/personalities in all of football. He has held this status for 30+ years now, going back into the 1990's.
What this means is that unlike your "small town country store" example, he himself is in fact a highly respected celebrity within this industry. This means that he can hire and surround himself with elite and accomplished position coaches and coordinators (who do most of the actual coaching, by the way) - especially at a school like Auburn which has the pockets to pay top dollar.
You see in your example, the "small town country store" doesn't have resources or capital or connections within the industry, which is what differentiates them from Wal-Mart. Deion Sanders does.
You're looking at this from the perspective as if he's just "Joe Schmoe" the head football coach from Jackson State, but you're missing the big picture in that he's a complete anomaly. Anomaly's can defy the common logic or expectations. If you look at his just his recruiting: there is absolutely zero reason why any elite football recruit would be interested in even thinking about a HC from Jackson State. But alas the 2023 recruits can't stop talking about him, they even bring up his name without even being prompted. Why? BECAUSE HE'S AN ANOMALY. HE'S NOT THE SMALL TOWN COUNTRY STORE.
Some of you have no imagination or vision. He is absolutely a risk (there are very few who aren't btw), but you need to see the big picture and understand that he defies common laws because his toolset is SO unique. This man has barely coached at all and I can guarantee you that Nick Saban would be AFRAID to be recruiting against him. Again, he defies what you normally know or expect about a football coach.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:56 pm to SingleMalt1973
quote:If they hire a guy with almost ZERO coaching experience, it will be confirmed that we have clowns running this circus.
However our fricked up PTB don’t see it that way and is why we are paying coaches more to not coach than coach.
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:57 pm to metafour
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Deion Sanders isn't just some random coach who happens to coach at a HBCU. He is one of the most recognizable figures/brands/personalities in all of football. He has held this status for 30+ years now, going back into the 1990's.
So is Bo Jackson and he was involved in the last few coaching searches at Auburn and all we pulled was Chiz, Gus and Harsin so what is your point?
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:02 pm to i am dan
quote:Don't bring logic into the equation. We are only judging the book by its cover with this hire too. It doesn't matter who the coaches have played. Only their record. We also can't count who they have lost to or how bad the teams are they have scraped by. So we have Deion or Kiffin.
So, just like Jimbo. Those five stars aint working out well over at aTm.
Still takes a coach who knows how to coach.
We don't want someone who can build a team from scratch and coach them into beating top P5 teams with offense and defense.
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:06 pm to SingleMalt1973
quote:that all you got? I just shite on your analogy and you have to accept that
Do y’all live in your parents basements and do Fantasy league shite
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