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re: 2013 Auburn Football Recruiting Thread: Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter
Posted on 9/5/12 at 2:19 am to memphisplaya
Posted on 9/5/12 at 2:19 am to memphisplaya
The stats vary a little depending on the source, but they are pretty impressive numbers nonetheless. If he keeps it up, he could be a top10 QB in this class. Good to have you back memphis 
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Posted on 9/5/12 at 3:50 am to thirdlawson
That's awful. Makes you wonder how a former defensive coordinator lets something like that happen.......
Posted on 9/5/12 at 5:13 am to auyushu
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Frazier's field awareness was a bit iffy, and he was slinging a few balls high due to being nervous as hell. But his passes other than that were fairly solid, and his deep balls were excellent for the most part other than the one underthrown to Coates (not counting the int really, as he was just slinging it and not caring if it was picked). Frazier's biggest issues were on short and intermediate routes rather than deep passes. He was either slinging it too hard or too soft on the short stuff.
It's amusing to me that people are acting like Frazier should be playing like a redshirt junior with a full season of starts under his belt when he was a true soph making his first start ever against a top 15 team at a neutral site. He's going to have growing pains like every other young QB pretty much ever.
I may not agree with Stat on everything he's ever posted, but he knows his stuff better than 90% of the people in this thread, that's for damn sure.
I mostly agree with this.
People just need to calm down and let the kid play a few games.
Hell, even Cam didn't really develop as a down field passer till half way through the season...
We are not going to be 10-2 this year. Just let the kid develop. We need a three year QB and he could be it. Just let him play and see what he has got.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 7:41 am to Aubie Spr96
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That's awful. Makes you wonder how a former defensive coordinator lets something like that happen.......
Yea I have to say I wasn't very excited about the defensive recruting the past few years. The 2013 recruiting class is the best Ive seen. This is the type of class I like to see. It seemed like our past classes were not balanced enough with the 2010-2012 with bringing in elite LBs and not very many elite DBs. There were a couple of good DTs spinkled over those two classes but not many.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 7:55 am to AUtigerNOLA
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:13 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I have shared my doubts about Pelton since last year. I can no longer remember what he said in an interview that made me feel this way, but it definitely had a negative effect on me. I only know he has done little to remove my doubt. Give me some credit I am open to his success and did not ask for his firing...
Was it when he said that the defensive line wasn't focused on getting sacks? That's probably what it was.
About Frazier, I think he will be more than serviceable given some more experience. We really need him to start just to give new qb's a chance to wait behind and develop. That way we're not in this crappy situation of a new starter every year. We need some continuity at qb. I think that holds the WR's back to an extent also.
About the defense, we can't expect three years of bad coaching to go away in one off season. That will take time. Bad habits are hard to break. I would think that doubly true in a game situation when players may go back to their instincts in the heat of the moment. I say give them time.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:23 am to weaglebeagle
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we can't expect three years of bad coaching to go away in one off season. That will take time. Bad habits are hard to break.
How did those bad habits develop in the first place? How can you not teach fundamental tackling...doesnt make sense. How would those coaches have jobs? Most of these kids that they recruit(ELITE) should already know how to tackle well IMO.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:34 am to AUtigerNOLA
The Defense will take a FULL year... BUT look for next year to be huge on defense.
I personally felt the defense was IMPROVED over last year. Think the first game of the year vs. Utah State or the Clemson game. Still have a way to go, but improved.
VS. Clemson...
2011 3rd Down Conversions 78% (14 of 18)
2011 Total Net Yards 624
2012 THIRD DOWN EFFICIENCY 47% (8 for 17)
2012 Total Net Yards 528
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Heck Utah State had more than that last year...
59% (10 of 17); plus 3 of 3 on 4th down...
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There was a period in the game, where Clemson went 3 and out four straight times... We played TERRIBLE in the 4th quarter....
I personally felt the defense was IMPROVED over last year. Think the first game of the year vs. Utah State or the Clemson game. Still have a way to go, but improved.
VS. Clemson...
2011 3rd Down Conversions 78% (14 of 18)
2011 Total Net Yards 624
2012 THIRD DOWN EFFICIENCY 47% (8 for 17)
2012 Total Net Yards 528
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Heck Utah State had more than that last year...
59% (10 of 17); plus 3 of 3 on 4th down...
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There was a period in the game, where Clemson went 3 and out four straight times... We played TERRIBLE in the 4th quarter....
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:35 am to auyushu
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other than the one underthrown to Coates
That wasn't an under throw, I believe. When a DB is running stride for stride with a WR in man coverage the QB is sometimes taught to under throw the WR and let him adjust to the ball that the DB can't possibly be looking for. Basically the same concept as the now popular back shoulder fade throw.......I'm PRETTY sure he did the exact same thing on the throw to the end zone to Emory Blake that Emory jumped for and missed. If he wouldn't have jumped he would've caught that pass too.
This post was edited on 9/5/12 at 8:37 am
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:44 am to WareagleKK
Example of a play that looked like a poor throw, but actually Bray should have run to the corner and opened the middle... another place we could have had a TD.. Look how open Lutz would have been.. Instead KF had to throw it away..
Posted on 9/5/12 at 8:49 am to WareagleKK
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That wasn't an under throw, I believe. When a DB is running stride for stride with a WR in man coverage the QB is sometimes taught to under throw the WR and let him adjust to the ball that the DB can't possibly be looking for. Basically the same concept as the now popular back shoulder fade throw.......I'm PRETTY sure he did the exact same thing on the throw to the end zone to Emory Blake that Emory jumped for and missed. If he wouldn't have jumped he would've caught that pass too.
Yep, that's true. Those were great passes, honestly.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:16 am to allin2010
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Example of a play that looked like a poor throw, but actually Bray should have run to the corner and opened the middle
You assume that is where the route called for him to go.
The play that you are showing - in my opinion - doesn't make your point. You've got what appears to be 4 AU players in the pass route covered by what appears to be 7 Clemson defenders. This means they are rushing 4 and you've got 6 in protection. There should be no need for a throw-away. If anything, this picture makes it appear that the QB should have pulled it down and ran with it.
Frazier will be fine. It was his first game. He's got to have the players around him step up and play to their potential and he needs play-calling to adjust to his strengths. I'm certain the play-calling will adjust. You just don't know about kids living up to their HS rankings though.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:20 am to weaglebeagle
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About Frazier, I think he will be more than serviceable given some more experience. We really need him to start just to give new qb's a chance to wait behind and develop.
How much time do you suggest we give him? There are freshman and sophomore qb's around the nation lighting it up every year. I'm not ready to count Frazier out yet, but if he goes less than 50% again Saturday we may need to give someone else some reps against Louisiana Moneroe.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:32 am to AUtigR24
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but if he goes less than 50% again Saturday we may need to give someone else some reps against Louisiana Moneroe.
I would want to try to get Wallace reps if this happens.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:46 am to AUtigerNOLA
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but if he goes less than 50% again Saturday we may need to give someone else some reps against Louisiana Moneroe.
I would want to try to get Wallace reps if this happens.
I see the AU tradition of calling for the backup QB is alive and well.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:51 am to AUCE05
He's had his one game as the starter and didn't produce Cam like results. Time to step to the side.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:54 am to Prometheus
Jesus, people. It was his first start, in a new system, against a top 10 team. Get a grip.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:57 am to AUtigerNOLA
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I would want to try to get Wallace reps if this happens.
Would be a disaster
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:57 am to smuphy72
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Jesus, people. It was his first start, in a new system, against a top 10 team. Get a grip.
Guess my post went right over your head.
Posted on 9/5/12 at 9:57 am to AUtigR24
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How much time do you suggest we give him? There are freshman and sophomore qb's around the nation lighting it up every year. I'm not ready to count Frazier out yet, but if he goes less than 50% again Saturday we may need to give someone else some reps against Louisiana Moneroe.
Are you serious?
Calling for the backup after two games?
Holy shite. First off, Frazier has to improve. There's no doubt there. Those high passes he made were just him being too amped for his first start, imo. That's just something that takes a game to get over and help him settle down. However, he made some very nice passes Sat. The one to Reed in the back of the endzone that should have been a touchdown can't really be thrown better. He catches that and maybe we win the game, or at least go to OT. Seam route to Lutz. Long ball to Blake, etc.
Please let us know what Soph and Freshman QB's are lighting it up, and let us know what teams they played against last Sat. I'd love to know who you're talking about, because I'm willing to put money on it that none of them played a top 15, much less 25 team, and lit it up.
This post was edited on 9/5/12 at 10:01 am
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