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Posted on 11/21/17 at 8:08 pm to VADawg
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frick Rob Manfred. There's not a snowball's chance in hell NYY, Boston, or the Dodgers would have gotten railroaded like this.
Being the whipping boy sucks. We need to buck this trend and get back to being 90s Braves
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:15 am to Rhino5
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We need to buck this trend and get back to being 90s Braves
As long as we get multiple titles out of it, I'm down.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:50 am to Wally Sparks
Lets be honest, all this stuff taken away is not going to hurt this organization at all.
12 players gone will hurt the depth at the GCL and Rookie levels, but our minor leagues are stacked from Rome all the way up to Gwinnett. We still have the best system in the league. We have some great young players in the majors, and we have a legit GM to fill in the holes.
Let the playoff appearances commence.
12 players gone will hurt the depth at the GCL and Rookie levels, but our minor leagues are stacked from Rome all the way up to Gwinnett. We still have the best system in the league. We have some great young players in the majors, and we have a legit GM to fill in the holes.
Let the playoff appearances commence.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:21 am to devils1854
This is basically the IFA death penalty. Not a full organizational death penalty but still, it hurts because the Braves have preferred getting bats through IFA and stacking up on pitching in the MLB draft and a lot of those bats have been taken away (then again, this may have ended "The Braves Way" and it may be different now).
This doesn't hurt 2019-2021, but it makes the margin of error a lot slimmer. They are 16-17 year olds, but they were 16-17 year olds that could be used in a trade to help the big league club get better. Now you really have to be careful with trades, it honestly might be better to use Free Agency** to get better, and the MLB drafts will have to be nailed.
**I wonder if the Braves still aren't really going to be that active in FA at least this offseason, what I saw earlier said that they might just go for a relief pitcher or two.
What this does hurt however, is past 2021 or 2022. This is where nailing your MLB drafts is going to have to happen, and it's harder if all goes to plan and you're in the playoffs in 2019 and beyond. The plan was for waves of talent and well...one wave just got smashed completely by Manfred. So we'll see. Maybe AA is an amazing drafter and this truly doesn't matter in the end.
This doesn't hurt 2019-2021, but it makes the margin of error a lot slimmer. They are 16-17 year olds, but they were 16-17 year olds that could be used in a trade to help the big league club get better. Now you really have to be careful with trades, it honestly might be better to use Free Agency** to get better, and the MLB drafts will have to be nailed.
**I wonder if the Braves still aren't really going to be that active in FA at least this offseason, what I saw earlier said that they might just go for a relief pitcher or two.
What this does hurt however, is past 2021 or 2022. This is where nailing your MLB drafts is going to have to happen, and it's harder if all goes to plan and you're in the playoffs in 2019 and beyond. The plan was for waves of talent and well...one wave just got smashed completely by Manfred. So we'll see. Maybe AA is an amazing drafter and this truly doesn't matter in the end.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:41 am to SECFan1995
Excellent post. It's like scholarship reductions. It doesn't mean you can't have some great players, but it kills your depth and makes the margin for error very very slim.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:51 am to SECFan1995
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This doesn't hurt 2019-2021, but it makes the margin of error a lot slimmer. They are 16-17 year olds, but they were 16-17 year olds that could be used in a trade to help the big league club get better. Now you really have to be careful with trades, it honestly might be better to use Free Agency** to get better, and the MLB drafts will have to be nailed.
You are basing this off a normal MLB organization. If you havent noticed, the Braves organizational depth is nothing close to normal.
Acuna, Allard, Soroka, Gohara, Wright, Anderson, Wentz, Pache, Jackson, Fried, and Riley are 11 guys that are going to be named on various top 100 prospect lists. That is no way close to being normal. Thats astonishing.
Then you have guys that would easily be on other teams top 10 lists, and have value...Toussaint, Weigel, Minter, Sanchez, Wilson, and Cumberland.
Lastly, you can look at the young guys that we have in rookie ball that have nice ceilings....Muller, Waters, Cruz, Tarnok, and Ynoa.
How is that organizational depth normal, and thats not even counting all the guys that have some value.
The organization is fine. It might have one small blip in the future, but its not going to be anything like people are thinking.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:16 am to devils1854
You're not counting on the guys that are going to bust...it's an absolute perfect scenario that rarely happens if everyone pans out.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'm already interested in seeing what the plan is in next year's draft. Does the fact that there are heavy restrictions on IFA make them more likely to mix it up with pitchers and position players instead of just going heavy on pitching? I hope yes.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:42 am to SECFan1995
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You're not counting on the guys that are going to bust...it's an absolute perfect scenario that rarely happens if everyone pans out.
Yes, players are going to bust, but its probably not going to be the same rate since the Braves farm system is not normal.
Plus, as Ive alluded to, we have so many assets, a few trades wont kill the system.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:41 pm to devils1854
Hope Manfred chokes on a gigantic, AIDS infested penis
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:34 pm to devils1854
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How is that organizational depth normal, and thats not even counting all the guys that have some value.
The organization is fine. It might have one small blip in the future, but its not going to be anything like people are thinking.
The problem is in 3 years those kids will have busted, progressed or be in Atlanta. It's a never ending cycle. Depth now doesn't mean anything when discussing depth in 3-4 years. We will have no margin for error in our drafts. Now, it's not an immediate problem, but it will definitely make things more difficult.
However, while that sucks and will certainly cause pain, it's a ways away and at least we'll have time to prepare and come up with a plan. And currently we have an insane amount of depth. So, hopefully those guys pan out and in 5 years we are thin on organizational depth but have a 95 win team full of young stars.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 10:36 pm
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