re: So Petrino lost to Kentucky

True freshman?

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Kentucky is a lot better than they wore at the beginning

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They wore down from the beginning of the season, or they were worn down at the beginning of the season, but got better towards the end?

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Meh, the devil is in the details. Kentucky is better than Mizzou. Apart from Houston, Louisville wasn't blown out in any game this year, and even still, the Houston game was far less embarrassing for Louisville than the Auburn game was for us. Louisville has holes, but they aren't nearly as gaping as ours. For us, this isn't a matter of getting over the hump in a few games or the ball not bouncing our way. Each loss we had was decisive and showed HUGE weaknesses.

We've shown that as a program, we can get a top 5 coach to come here. So if Bert doesn't get it done, it's time to move on.

At this point, I'm done melting. Bert is sticking around because of his huge buyout, so to me, there is no point being in a continuous rage for three consecutive years. So I'm going to sit back with arms folded and wait him out. Hopefully he's smart enough to use this extra time to right the ship. If he hasn't fixed anything by the time his buyout amount drops, give him the boot. While it's going to be shitty to sit around and watch us suck, if he hasn't righted the ship by then, it means that he wasn't able to get it done in 6 years. That's VERY generous by Power 5 standards, and won't scare off any potential candidates.

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There's entirely too much common sense and logic in your post.

While I'm not, and never have been sold on Bert, I'll let him have plenty of time to build his program. I said when he was hired that he has the coaching capabilities that are in between dale nutt and BMFP. I stand by that.

Beat Auburn and we go to Atlanta in 2010. That game was in doubt well into the 2nd half.

In 2011 he was 10-1 going into the LSU game. Does a three way tie send us to Atlanta? Probably not, but that was close because there was a chance. You're acting like Bret and Petrino were close in their overall results here and that is disingenuous.

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imo two years of 7 wins is acceptable. Third year if further improvement isn't shown it's time to get someone new in year 4

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Pssst, it is year 4.

I'm sure L'Ville fans are disappointed with being ranked in the playoff rankings most of the year and finishing at 9-3... I mean, it is almost exactly the same as 7-5 with tons of blowout losses. Almost exactly the same.

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Pssst, it is year 4.

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right and he asked about 7 win season. we had 8 wins last year and a good chance at 8 wins this year

Stop counting the bowl game. Season record is all that counts.

I'll only accept bowl win totals when it takes us from single digits wins to double digit as then it actually looks better.

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In 2010 he finished two losses behind the division champ.

In 2011 he finished third and even in a three way tie would not have made it to Atlanta.

So no, he wasn't close.

Just as he hasn't been close to winning the acc.

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I'm not on the fire Bert bandwagon, nor am I someone who is glorifying Petrino. But Petrino was a lot closer to winning the west in a tougher version of the SEC than we are now. And as far as 2012, that team would have been much better than 4-8 with Petrino at the helm. Petrino was always very important for the offense to function, since he called the plays, and was involved in ensuring timing between QB/WR, spacing of plays, etc. were to his precise liking.

I think it's disingenuous to to say Bert and Petrino were comparable at this point in their tenure. Petrino was clearly better at this point. No one was talking about firing Petrino at his 4th year point for performance.

Frankly, I don't really care if Bert decides to hire a new DC and fire the current coaches. I think it would probably be a reasonable gesture if he does, but I may not know all the details. He has a contract to do a job, and he reasonably has a few more years to get us where we need to go. If he doesn't get it done with the decisions he makes, he's gone. I don't think he needs a bunch of half baked knowledge from his fans to get it done. If he does, then he REALLY needs to go.

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in 2011 if he beats lsu in convincing fashion on the last game of the regular season, yes he would've went to the sec champ.

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If Reggie Fish doesn't fumble that punt...

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him derping it up against Kentucky doesn't take away any of the sting of the horror show we witnessed against Mizzou this weekend.

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and it shouldn't

the point is that saban might be the only coach in college football capable of reloading every year after players graduate/nfl draft/assistants leave and not having a drop off causing the derping up of games during a season. not to mention the unpredictability of how a football bounces and how any team can lose on any Saturday. again it just goes back to finding a coach that can build your program the right way and string together enough 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 win season to raise your perceived ceiling.