Started By
Message
re: Our football coaches' Twitter presence is really dumb
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:40 pm to DaleDenton
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:40 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
Its laughable that he was handicapped because of Bert, yet he did a great job considering 80% of the talent signed early. Talk about trying to have it both ways.
He was handicapped by both.
0
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:45 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
Its laughable that he was handicapped because of Bert, yet he did a great job considering 80% of the talent signed early. Talk about trying to have it both ways.
So filling the available scholarships with players that had an average rating which was higher than the norm for Arkansas (and with limited time to do so) is not doing a good job?
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:48 pm to The_Joker
quote:
How many scholarships are available in your scenario?
Let's say 15.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:49 pm to Raz4back
quote:
So filling the available scholarships with players that had an average rating which was higher than the norm for Arkansas (and with limited time to do so) is not doing a good job?
Where did I say it wasn't?
What I am saying is you can't say "he did such a good job, the average rating was higher then the norm" while ignoring the same services that issued these ratings agree this is the worst class Arkansas has ever signed.
It can be both as in this case, but one doesn't cancel out the other based on which you are choosing to use to justify your opinion.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:51 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
What I am saying is you can't say "he did such a good job, the average rating was higher then the norm" while ignoring the same services that issued these ratings agree this is the worst class Arkansas has ever signed.
It is actually possible to like the way that recruiting services rate players and also dislike they way they penalize small classes in the team rankings.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:53 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
Its laughable that he was handicapped because of Bert, yet he did a great job considering 80% of the talent signed early. Talk about trying to have it both ways.
Those things are not mutually exclusive. That would be like saying you want us to recruit better players but somehow 25 average players are viewed as better than 17 good ones because some nerd's algorithm decided to penalize a team for signing below 20.
Listen, it's been a miserable few years to be a Hog. I'm going to choose to believe all these Clemson fans, other coaches, and former players that say the guy is a damn fine coach and will get the program back to relevance. We beat out SEC teams for several recruits down the stretch. How often does that happen? If we finish in the bottom third in recruiting next year, I'll be disappointed and might think differently.
I think Morris is a bit much at times. But that's apparently just who the guy is. The kids seem to like it just fine, so I'm fine. I'm excited that we have an up and coming coach. But along with that comes the unknown and that's going to stretch until next fall. I'll just choose to believe the positive side of it.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:54 pm to Stonehog
quote:
Let's say 15.
Then yeah. That's the worst class ever. How does that relate to our 2018 class?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:54 pm to DaleDenton
The average rating of the recruits overall would place us in the normal range of recruiting. Since it was a smaller class, we are ranked lower. You lose 10 points per recruit for less than 20 players.
The defensive recruits average rating was actually higher than it has been in about 10 years. This is for a coach known for his offensive philosophy.
He was hamstrung by time, the previous coach, and having to hire a new staff. The guaranteed new 4 year scholly rule hurt as well.
There are so many factors to consider in this case and yet some are stuck on one simple thought process. And all of this began over CCM's staff's use of the world wide web. Seriously?
All during basket ball season.... My Lord, you cant make this stuff up. Clay Travis had a better perspective of our fan base than I first thought! Dayumm!
The defensive recruits average rating was actually higher than it has been in about 10 years. This is for a coach known for his offensive philosophy.
He was hamstrung by time, the previous coach, and having to hire a new staff. The guaranteed new 4 year scholly rule hurt as well.
There are so many factors to consider in this case and yet some are stuck on one simple thought process. And all of this began over CCM's staff's use of the world wide web. Seriously?
All during basket ball season.... My Lord, you cant make this stuff up. Clay Travis had a better perspective of our fan base than I first thought! Dayumm!
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:55 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
It can be both as in this case, but one doesn't cancel out the other based on which you are choosing to use to justify your opinion.
I’m not arguing the fact that, by the metrics that the services use, this was the worst class Arkansas has signed.
My point is that the OP is bashing the current staff for celebrating what, given the circumstances, was a good job of recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 6:57 pm to Stonehog
For the sake of argument, let's all agree this was the worst class in our history. Extreme circumstances dictated it that way.
But until this upcoming signing class is complete there's no way to know if the premise of the OP is correct.
Right now it's an OP complaining about material not meant for him. Basically acting like a SJW that gets offended on behalf of someone else. Sad
But until this upcoming signing class is complete there's no way to know if the premise of the OP is correct.
Right now it's an OP complaining about material not meant for him. Basically acting like a SJW that gets offended on behalf of someone else. Sad
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:09 pm to Stonehog
Best sail of 2018, so far
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:15 pm to The_Joker
quote:
Then yeah. That's the worst class ever. How does that relate to our 2018 class?
Average star rating doesn't trump team ranking.
Need a diagram?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:16 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
Chad was more than able to sign a full 25, and make the numbers work themselves out by forcing players to transfer or not renewing scholarhips for the following year. Chad isn't being forced to keep recruits already signed and on the team due to impending APR sanctions, in fact Bert had the APR in a position where Chad could have processed as many players as he'd like after spring practice, something Bert didn't have as much luxury in regards to the APR when he took over for Petrino.
quote:
It's not so much APR. With scholarships now being 4 years guarenteed, it's not as easy as it used to be. As I understand it, you now either have to concoct a medical reason to take the player off scholarship, the player has to get in trouble, or force the player out the door with a threat of sitting on the bench. You can't just go pulling scholarships.
This from HogX is very much the case.
quote:
Its laughable that he was handicapped because of Bert, yet he did a great job considering 80% of the talent signed early. Talk about trying to have it both ways.
It was both ways, he tried to make the best of a bad situation because of timing. Bielema when fired had 11 commits. 9 were on still on the list when Morris was hired but half of those 9 were flipping elsewhere regardless. Flanagan, Jones, Banks and Mincey all had eyes at other schools and our lone running back Gibson couldn’t qualify.
We are five over the 85 at 90 for fall camp so at least five will be leaving after spring ball or graduating in May to go elsewhere as a grad transfer. Not logical to have 10-15 leave anymore with multi year scholarships. Academic standing, injuries or off the field conduct are the only ways to part early not athletic performance.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:21 pm to Stonehog
quote:
Average star rating doesn't trump team ranking.
Cool. I don't care about team ranking since it penalizes small classes for being small and that's not something our staff had control over. But I get that you like letting other people do your thinking for you, so you go on right ahead looking at an arbitrary number and literally nothing else.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:34 pm to The_Joker
Numbers matter. Only signing 17 players is gonna catch up to them in a few years, as history shows not all of those guys will make it to their senior year. We're going to have some really young teams down the road.
And LOL at thinking that a class ranking is an "arbitrary number." Come on man.
And LOL at thinking that a class ranking is an "arbitrary number." Come on man.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:37 pm to Stonehog
quote:
It's an example used to show that average star rating doesn't trump team rankings. In the example the average star rating would be 5 for the lowest ranked class in the country. Understand now?
Your example of 1 is nothing comparable. No reason to be smug.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:38 pm to Stonehog
You can't give scholarships you don't have. Why are you actively ignoring that? And even moreso, why are you blaming Morris for that?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:39 pm to The_Joker
quote:
Cool. I don't care about team ranking since it penalizes small classes for being small
#4 USC - 18 signees
#6 Clemson - 17 signees
#7 Bama - 19 signees
#14 Florida - 19 signees
#21 Michigan - 19 signees
#39 Stanford - 15 signees
#42 Vandy - 19 signees
Signing less than 20 players didn't hurt the above in the team rankings...
So really what you mean for the basis of your argument is that Chad didn't have enough time to get in on the type of talent he would be able to pull at Arkansas as he wasn't recruiting this type talent while at SMU. This makes sense with the best player all being on the defensive side of the ball being recruiting by members of the staff coming from power 5 jobs where they were recruiting this type talent.
So what there is to be learned from this is Chad didn't waste time and resources chasing talent out of his league, which isn't a bad thing at all in the grand scheme of things.
It isn't his fault he didn't have time, the ESD played a role, normally he would have had a little over a month to make up ground on these types of players. It isn't Bert's or Jeff Long's fault he didn't have time either, the people responsible for his lack of time are still in the same roles as they were when the clock was ticking back then...
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:40 pm to The_Joker
quote:
You can't give scholarships you don't have. Why are you actively ignoring that? And even moreso, why are you blaming Morris for that?
You can, its called a blue shirt.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:43 pm to DaleDenton
quote:
the people responsible for his lack of time are still in the same roles as they were when the clock was ticking back then...
Truth
They shot their wad on Gus for 2 weeks or more, waste of time.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 7:44 pm
Page 5 of 7
Latest Arkansas News
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News