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re: Let's talk About Pittman's new contract desires...
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:20 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:20 pm to Drewbie
I feel like we have all the leverage as well.
Where is he going to go?
He needs to show he can win 8 games again next year for me to think he’s worth over 5 per year.
Where is he going to go?
He needs to show he can win 8 games again next year for me to think he’s worth over 5 per year.
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Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:21 pm to UltimateHog
I agree there are better coaches we could get for $7 million a year.
But we'll give him what he wants.
But we'll give him what he wants.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:25 pm to Numberwang
quote:I hope not.
But we'll give him what he wants.
5.5 with a million in incentives. Use the rest to bolster assistants' contracts. We don't need a highly paid figurehead. We need a deep staff that can develop 3 and 4 stars to compete with 5 stars.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:32 pm to Porker Face
All I want to know from Pittman is will he be willing to take a pay cut after years he doesn't live up to expectations
If not, then this is a no. It is obvious that these contracts are meaningless and get renegotiated after every season or so. It should be performance (specifically number of wins) based. $750k per win. That means he would've got $6m this year. But there is no excuse to pay $6m for a 3 win season when one inevitably comes down
If not, then this is a no. It is obvious that these contracts are meaningless and get renegotiated after every season or so. It should be performance (specifically number of wins) based. $750k per win. That means he would've got $6m this year. But there is no excuse to pay $6m for a 3 win season when one inevitably comes down
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:55 pm to Razorback Reverend
He’s not the brains behind the offense or the defense. That means we have to pay good money to bring coaches in who are. We’re paying him to recruit so I would tell him we’ll negotiate after signing day. Right now his class isn’t good enough to demand this type of money.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 4:58 pm to STLhog
He has no where to go as all the power five jobs are filled or soon to be. He can get a raise and be happy or he can walk and take a huge cut in pay at another school as an assistant. Then get roasted by the fans for walking away. He wants a raise but he isn't going to walk away and put his reputation on the line.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:24 pm to Razorback Reverend
This is 100% Sexton. Sam isn't asking for that. Jimmy is. Either way that is the going rate. Gotta pay more if we want to be successful. Short memory for some here. The man worked a miracle already with what he walked in to.
I hear Chad Morris is available if we wanna go bargain bin fishing.
I hear Chad Morris is available if we wanna go bargain bin fishing.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:39 pm to V Bainbridge
quote:Sam asked for it when he hired Sexton as his agent. He knew exactly who he was hiring to represent him.
This is 100% Sexton. Sam isn't asking for that.
quote:This is just stupid. "Either make a brand new coach one of the highest paid in the entire country or hire Chad Morris."
Short memory for some here. The man worked a miracle already with what he walked in to.
I hear Chad Morris is available if we wanna go bargain bin fishing.
As if that's even remotely the reality of the situation.
Even funnier considering Sam Pittman IS the product of bargain bin fishing.
Sam's earned a raise, but he hasn't earned 7m a year. That's 10 win territory.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:45 pm to Drewbie
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Sam asked for it when he hired Sexton as his agent.
Yes. He got an agent that could get him market value like any intelligent person would. The dude loves it here but he is a retard if he kept his current contract and didn't leverage the success he has had thus far for a raise to his market value. It probably isn't 7 mil but that's what the market is dictating at the moment so that is the number that was floated.
Save your sour grapes. This is what happens and it was always going to happen once he showed what he could do. THAT is the reality of this situation. Why do you give shite? You donating a mil a year?
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:46 pm to Drewbie
And a top 10-15 recruiting class.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:48 pm to V Bainbridge
quote:People keep spouting this bullshite but 7m a year would put him in the top 10 in the nation. That's not "market value" for an 11-11 head coach. I don't care how much you like Pittman he's not worth that right now and I'd rather see that money spread to the coordinators that help carry his water.
market value
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:50 pm to Razorback Reverend
give the man the money
but with airtight contractual conditions on being paid and he knows
but with airtight contractual conditions on being paid and he knows
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:52 pm to Drewbie
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I love Pittman but don't say shite like that and turn around and hire Sexton. Really bad taste in my mouth over this.
This. Same for the players he recruited on his love for Arkansas and last job? bullshite? He'd have gotten a nice raise without getting Sexton's arse involved. Needs to get his asst's paid first. Let's see how it goes. If he leverages more and then uses it to help keep assistants, then all is good. Big raise, and lose good assistants? No thanks.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:57 pm to Drewbie
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That's not "market value" for an 11-11 head coach.
Market value is what you pay for a coach today not 3 years ago. Just because he would be top 10 doesn't mean it isn't the market value it just means most coaches haven't gotten their contracts in todays market.
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I'd rather see that money spread to the coordinators that help carry his water.
How do you know their isn't more money for assistants in this? This number isn't even the real one. It's just what was floated to test the waters. You guys need to get over the "Oh, I sure do love ol arkysaw!" crap. This is about money not your fee fee's. Dude showed results and is leveraging it for a payday. As he should.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 5:58 pm to SmackoverHawg
Bump his incentives to 7 mill. Hell, make it 10 mill if he wins the sec and/or natty. Just don’t guarantee shite.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:00 pm to Razorback Reverend
Base it at 5 or 6 and let him have incentives up to 7.25?
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:01 pm to V Bainbridge
quote:Link me a contract signed this year of a coach with a career record of .500 making 7 million.
Market value is what you pay for a coach today not 3 years ago.
quote:No shite Nostradamus. The argument is his results don't justify his asking price.
This is about money not your fee fee's. Dude showed results and is leveraging it for a payday. As he should.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:08 pm to Drewbie
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Link me a contract signed this year of a coach with a career record of .500 making 7 million.
Show me a coach who has taken a dogshit team in the SEC west and taken them to a new years bowl game in year two. There is only one comparable and he just signed a contract for 7.2m a year.
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The argument is his results don't justify his asking price.
Yes. It does. You can accept that or stay salty but it's the truth even if you don't want to believe it.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:09 pm to Drewbie
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And you know HY has to be absolutely thrilled to be working through Sexton for contract negotiations again.
Best part of Sexton is he knows what you are offering every other SEC caliber coach, so you can’t even negotiate.
Need a Sankey ban on Sexton to fix the problem.
I’d do a 5-6 for Sam with incentives to tippy top of the SEC for a championship. Also do the same for Odom and Briles. Make sure they are top of coordinators if they win a championship.
Posted on 12/12/21 at 6:15 pm to V Bainbridge
quote:Mel Tucker has 10 years of NFL experience and went 10-2 to nearly win his conference this year.
There is only one comparable and he just signed a contract for 7.2m a year.
Like I said, 10 win territory. When Sam has Arkansas in the position Ole Miss and MSU are in this year, then we can talk 7m a year. You will never ever convince me 8-4 and 3rd in the division with barely top 25 recruiting classes warrants a top salary competing with coaches that are fighting for titles.
This post was edited on 12/12/21 at 6:19 pm
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